Thursday, March 31, 2011

[Mind's Eye] Re: Raison d'etre - can we find one

Yes but can they be analysed as entities devoid from conciousness.
I think I am losing myself here.
My previous sentence implies that my body owns my brain rather than
vice versa.

Malc

On Mar 31, 9:47 pm, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
wrote:
> Yess indeed I agre with OM on this one(A rather rare but welcoming
> occourance)
>
> Of course Moral values can be analysed, is that not what we are doing
> here?
>
> On Mar 31, 7:35 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I too believe that virtue and hence correctness are subjective. Also,
> > as in the Taoist tradition morality can be paradoxical. Ayn Rand would
> > disagree and hold that reality exists independent from reality,  I
> > believe that  objectivists believe that moral values can be analysed
> > logically ,,,,,,,, I can't get my head around that!.
>
> > On Mar 31, 11:24 am, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Even here, the more commonly held notions of 'virtue' differ and are
> > > quite subjective. No, a dictionary most likely won't 'help'; however,
> > > on the off chance that it will...
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue#Aristotle.27s_virtues
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue#The_Buddhist_tradition
>
> > > etc.....
>
> > > On Mar 30, 7:00 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Your third answer apeals to me as it involves a decision by you.
>
> > > > On Mar 31, 12:13 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"
>
> > > > <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > > In truth this is what most of us would proably answer.  Myself I
> > > > > choose both my first and my second answer.
>
> > > > > On Mar 30, 6:38 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I would rather like to think that we can create a point.
> > > > > > Ash seems to have.
>
> > > > > > On Mar 29, 10:44 pm, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"
>
> > > > > > <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > There are a few answers to this and it depends on your mind set and
> > > > > > > your core beliefs.
>
> > > > > > > The obvious answer is God did it.  We are here to go to heaven, or
> > > > > > > reach God, or merge with the God head or what ever the dogma of your
> > > > > > > faith dercess is the porouse.
>
> > > > > > > Another answer is that we find meaning in our lives in what makes us
> > > > > > > happy, indeed some would contend that this is the higest moral
> > > > > > > obligation.
>
> > > > > > > Yet another answer is all is pointless, there is no point and so do
> > > > > > > what you you like.
>
> > > > > > > Take your pick my freind which answer suits you?
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 28, 12:34 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Raison D'etre
>
> > > > > > > > We are genetically successful in that we still exist. Historically our
> > > > > > > > mutations have turned out to be apt for survival.
>
> > > > > > > > We have been endowed with the ability to reason and thus question our
> > > > > > > > purpose.
>
> > > > > > > > Camus believed that human existence was essentially absurd. As Russell
> > > > > > > > said 'All the labour of the ages, all the devotion, all the
> > > > > > > > inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius  are destined
> > > > > > > > to extinction in the vast death of the solar system'. This implies
> > > > > > > > that human endeavour id pointless. As Douglas Adams said the answer to
> > > > > > > > life the universe and existence is 42.
>
> > > > > > > > Realisation of this truth could imply that the only logical response
> > > > > > > > is to give up on endeavour, even commit suicide.
>
> > > > > > > > However, we do have a short period of life wherein we can experience
> > > > > > > > emotions; happiness, pain etc. Although difficult to explain are real
> > > > > > > > in the sense that we can agree on the pleasure or displeasure that
> > > > > > > > such experiences give us. Likewise we would agree that we would like
> > > > > > > > our short existence to be pleasurable, even for the masochist.
>
> > > > > > > > Should we not be looking for the meaning of life; creating a meaning
> > > > > > > > for life; endeavouring to change the human condition and society for
> > > > > > > > the greater benefit of future generations. That one of these
> > > > > > > > generations will be extinguished is of  no importance given the
> > > > > > > > absurdity of existence.
>
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[Mind's Eye] Re: Raison d'etre - can we find one

Ah. I wonder who created them.

Malc

On Mar 31, 10:38 pm, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"
<l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> A THOUGHT + Why did God wait until we brains had already stuffed up
> before he sent his prophets to help us out.
>
> Pehraps God did not, perhaps even the cavmen had their prohpets?
>
> On Mar 31, 7:07 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > If I understand Dawkins and Dennett correctly we can probably deduce
> > that previous to being convinced that Darwin had indeed developed a
> > convincing explanation showing that it is possible to create sentient,
> > rational beings from inanimate beginnings it was probably impossible
> > for anyone to not be a theist of some sort. Now that atheism is
> > rationally valid, to replace the goodness of God,it can be held that
> > its creed must provide consolation and meaning to life in order to
> > stave off despair without recourse to a supreme being other than the
> > universe itself. That is, for the theists of the world  to retain hope
> > and faith in their existence. For me, I find it easy to delude myself
> > that not only is religion to do with faith and hope which it fulfils
> > admirably but that it is also to do with truth. Clearly a trap that I
> > must avoid in order to empathise with believers.
>
> > Hence my initial post - To geet a handle on some replacement for many
> > years of blind faith.
>
> > Thanks for your contributions. If you have any more keep them coming.
> > I am all ears.
>
> > A THOUGHT + Why did God wait until we brains had already stuffed up
> > before he sent his prophets to help us out.- Hide quoted text -
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Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Powersupply

no one has been rude to youo ,,, but right now I think you are going into the realm of poor taste.
Allan

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:39 PM, the taoist shaman <bryanobo@gmail.com> wrote:
im sorry im just a LITTLE BIT bi pollar, get frustrated easy , at the
same time u can make a point without being rude , but still im sorry

i told this dude the other day that im bi pollar , he thought i liked
dressing up as a big white bear and having sex with bolth men and
wommen, started coming on to me, ....... it was ocward




leerevdouglas@googlemail.com wrote:
> Heheh taoist, I'm a smart arse and a synic, shoud I be stommped out?
> Or are we reserving this for those who show the full compliment of
> atributes?
>
> On Mar 31, 3:54 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > why arnt we useing or at least puting into reserch teslas ideas , no
> > one would make $ ?
> >
> > allin there is a vast amount of untaped energy in the wind .
> > uuuuhhhhhhhhh i think smart ass , synical , self glorifying people ,
> > need to be stomped out , and exposed as the filth that they are. oh
> > but thats right we alredy made big fans , w-A    D MF er , not u
> > allin, ........... oh god im giving in to the ways of the simple
> > minded that i rebuke arnt i !? damn oh well , EACH OF US ARE HUMAN
> > RIGHT!
> >
> >
> >
> > DarkwaterBlight wrote:
> > > Edison's rival was Nikola Tesla and in the late 1800's he was even
> > > more famous than Edison. He is credited for inventing the modern radio
> > > and the Tesla coil which is still used in radios and t.v.'s today.
> > > Many of his inventions were lost to the public as the patents were
> > > bought out. John Bedini took one of Tesla's inventions (Tesla switch)
> > > and invented a generator that is essentialy a "free energy device". He
> > > presented this device at the Tesla Centennial Symposium in Colorado
> > > Springs, CO, on August, 11, 1984
> >
> > > On Mar 30, 3:48 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > this is an exelant topic, i forget his name (eddisons rival in power
> > > > supply) he mimmicked the great pyramid , even built his proto typ on
> > > > an aquifer, i know it sounds crazy , but only because we have been
> > > > taught to belive its crazy, i dont have the brain to get into detail ,
> > > > the only reason eddison won because his rival , ?fudechie? wanted to
> > > > supply power for free, edison to profit, so it comes back to this, $
> >
> > > > our attempt at alternative energy is sad, were still going to space on
> > > > rockets! WTF! E=Mc2 energy = mass x the speed of light squared! if we
> > > > cant make that safe weve blundered a gift from nature
> >
> > > > if we could find a way to make anti matter affordably we could create
> > > > enough energy to make oil look as powerfull as  horshack on morphine ,
> > > > welcom back cotter, good song for that show
> >
> > > > i dont know much about this but look forward to hearing others
> >
> > > > greetings matt, nice to meet u
> >
> > > > On Mar 30, 2:20 pm, Matthijs <matthijs.dok...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > So with the recent developments in Japan, governments consider closing
> > > > > nuclear power plants. So I was wondering what is the future concerning
> > > > > our power needs?- Hide quoted text -
> >
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> > - Show quoted text -



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Re: Lhosar in Nebraska - 2011(1st Jan. 2011)

Namaskar Sushil daju, Monorath sir, Balaram bhai and Kamal sathi,

Thank you for watching the video of LHOSAR from Nebraska. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R5yYnu-0Go)

You have been a huge back-up to the being like me. I appreciate.

 

Kumar Gurung

Nebraska



From: sushil niroula <sushil_niroula@yahoo.com>
To: bhutaneserefugee@googlegroups.com; freindsreunion@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 7:53:31 AM
Subject: Fw: Lhosar in Nebraska - 2011(1st Jan. 2011)

Great Work Kumar,

Viewed and enjoyed much.

You contribution in order to preserve the Bhutanese culture is really laudable.


Kind regards

Sushil


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Sent: Thu, 31 March, 2011 5:24:04 AM
Subject: Lhosar in Nebraska - 2011(1st Jan. 2011)

Dear everybody,
Here is a short video of Lhosar Celebration in Nebraska on 1st Jan. 2011.  Please click the link below.
 
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R5yYnu-0Go
 
Bhutanese Community in Nebraska organised the festival.
 
Kumar Gurung
Nebraska

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[MSUAtheists]:428 MINUTES (03-31-11)

The following are the minutes for March 31, 2011:


1. Jacob Beard has been elected treasurer of FAAMSU as of 3/24/11.
a. Funds cannot be appropriated this semester, but can be obtained at
the start of next semester.

2. Projectors can be rented for $2 from the library.

3. Had an excellent discussion.


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[Mind's Eye] Re: Raison d'etre - can we find one

To ornamental mind,

Sorry, made a mistake in editing. Should read 'reality exists
independent of consciousness'.

On Mar 31, 8:46 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Malcolm, many other than self proclaimed objectivists believe that
> moral values can be analyzed logically. It has been so for many
> thousands of years… at least.
>
> I'm not sure that Rand would suggest that 'reality exists independent
> from reality..'.
>
> However, to 'get your head around' her and her ilk, just change your
> thinking to that of a current day Tea Party member…that is IF you can
> get your head around that…
> Of course, there would be little to nothing heard about said 'party'
> if it weren't for the paid propaganda and political activism (read:
> manufactured movement) of the Koch Brothers.
>
> http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayerhttp://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/us/22koch.htmlhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/947947/-The-Koch-Brothers-En...
>
> Here one runs into 'might makes right' quite quickly.
>
> On Mar 30, 11:35 pm, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I too believe that virtue and hence correctness are subjective. Also,
> > as in the Taoist tradition morality can be paradoxical. Ayn Rand would
> > disagree and hold that reality exists independent from reality,  I
> > believe that  objectivists believe that moral values can be analysed
> > logically ,,,,,,,, I can't get my head around that!.
>
> > On Mar 31, 11:24 am, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Even here, the more commonly held notions of 'virtue' differ and are
> > > quite subjective. No, a dictionary most likely won't 'help'; however,
> > > on the off chance that it will...
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue#Aristotle.27s_virtues
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue#The_Buddhist_tradition
>
> > > etc.....
>
> > > On Mar 30, 7:00 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Your third answer apeals to me as it involves a decision by you.
>
> > > > On Mar 31, 12:13 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"
>
> > > > <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > > In truth this is what most of us would proably answer.  Myself I
> > > > > choose both my first and my second answer.
>
> > > > > On Mar 30, 6:38 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I would rather like to think that we can create a point.
> > > > > > Ash seems to have.
>
> > > > > > On Mar 29, 10:44 pm, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"
>
> > > > > > <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > There are a few answers to this and it depends on your mind set and
> > > > > > > your core beliefs.
>
> > > > > > > The obvious answer is God did it.  We are here to go to heaven, or
> > > > > > > reach God, or merge with the God head or what ever the dogma of your
> > > > > > > faith dercess is the porouse.
>
> > > > > > > Another answer is that we find meaning in our lives in what makes us
> > > > > > > happy, indeed some would contend that this is the higest moral
> > > > > > > obligation.
>
> > > > > > > Yet another answer is all is pointless, there is no point and so do
> > > > > > > what you you like.
>
> > > > > > > Take your pick my freind which answer suits you?
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 28, 12:34 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Raison D'etre
>
> > > > > > > > We are genetically successful in that we still exist. Historically our
> > > > > > > > mutations have turned out to be apt for survival.
>
> > > > > > > > We have been endowed with the ability to reason and thus question our
> > > > > > > > purpose.
>
> > > > > > > > Camus believed that human existence was essentially absurd. As Russell
> > > > > > > > said 'All the labour of the ages, all the devotion, all the
> > > > > > > > inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius  are destined
> > > > > > > > to extinction in the vast death of the solar system'. This implies
> > > > > > > > that human endeavour id pointless. As Douglas Adams said the answer to
> > > > > > > > life the universe and existence is 42.
>
> > > > > > > > Realisation of this truth could imply that the only logical response
> > > > > > > > is to give up on endeavour, even commit suicide.
>
> > > > > > > > However, we do have a short period of life wherein we can experience
> > > > > > > > emotions; happiness, pain etc. Although difficult to explain are real
> > > > > > > > in the sense that we can agree on the pleasure or displeasure that
> > > > > > > > such experiences give us. Likewise we would agree that we would like
> > > > > > > > our short existence to be pleasurable, even for the masochist.
>
> > > > > > > > Should we not be looking for the meaning of life; creating a meaning
> > > > > > > > for life; endeavouring to change the human condition and society for
> > > > > > > > the greater benefit of future generations. That one of these
> > > > > > > > generations will be extinguished is of  no importance given the
> > > > > > > > absurdity of existence.
>
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[MSUAtheists]:427 meeting update

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[Mind's Eye] Re: Raison d'etre - can we find one

TS - amaizingly enough, I think you are very near the Truth here....

On Mar 31, 8:23 am, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> perhaps there was  a time when there was no need of prophets because
> virtue was inate , perhaps " the fruit of the knowledge of good and
> evil " opened a part of the brain that opened the eyes of man and he
> saw he was naked  and separated from nature and there for god , god
> then needed to comunicate w-man through man , to bring him back to
> unity w-god , as we origonaly were
>
>
>
> leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > A THOUGHT + Why did God wait until we brains had already stuffed up
> > before he sent his prophets to help us out.
>
> > Pehraps God did not, perhaps even the cavmen had their prohpets?
>
> > On Mar 31, 7:07 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > If I understand Dawkins and Dennett correctly we can probably deduce
> > > that previous to being convinced that Darwin had indeed developed a
> > > convincing explanation showing that it is possible to create sentient,
> > > rational beings from inanimate beginnings it was probably impossible
> > > for anyone to not be a theist of some sort. Now that atheism is
> > > rationally valid, to replace the goodness of God,it can be held that
> > > its creed must provide consolation and meaning to life in order to
> > > stave off despair without recourse to a supreme being other than the
> > > universe itself. That is, for the theists of the world  to retain hope
> > > and faith in their existence. For me, I find it easy to delude myself
> > > that not only is religion to do with faith and hope which it fulfils
> > > admirably but that it is also to do with truth. Clearly a trap that I
> > > must avoid in order to empathise with believers.
>
> > > Hence my initial post - To geet a handle on some replacement for many
> > > years of blind faith.
>
> > > Thanks for your contributions. If you have any more keep them coming.
> > > I am all ears.
>
> > > A THOUGHT + Why did God wait until we brains had already stuffed up
> > > before he sent his prophets to help us out.- Hide quoted text -
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Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Ambivalence

all mater = atoms

atoms = positive negative and neural energy

cawinsidence?

gwilliamsn...@aol.com wrote:
> I think not right choice is the resolution of ambivalence. Rather ambivalence - as I understand its nature - always involves
>
>
> the presence and overlapping of strong positive or negative feelings of embracing or rejecting. (Love/ hate) The resolution to ambivalence ultimately is the toleration of imperfections, frustration, and inevitable disappointments.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rigsy03 <rigsy03@gmail.com>
> To: "Minds Eye" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 8:31 am
> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Ambivalence
>
>
> Yes- it boils down to choice. Informed choice.
>
> Robert Frost has stated it well in "The Road Not Taken". "Two roads
> diverged in a wood, and I-/ I took the one less traveled by,/ And that
> has made all the difference." ll.18-20
>
> On Mar 13, 4:04 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > you know..it might be totally irrelevant to this...but yesterday...i
> > was walking home...and i got the fork where you take the short cut or
> > the longer way round...and suddenly this post came to my mind....and i
> > was thinking... you know...there are no directions in reality ...its
> > only right and left for us and even thats relative...not a novel
> > thought i know..but i just felt ...it should be put here....
> >
> > On Mar 12, 7:59 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I thought more about this topic. I gave a minor example regarding an
> > > impending visit but ambilvalence can be more serious, I think. And
> > > maybe I have used the wrong term to begin with! We were raised, for
> > > instance, to ignore the incongruities in others and depended on
> > > etiquette to get us through- we didn't often question the disconnect
> > > but that began to change in the '70's with pop psychology and more
> > > openess in relationships plus new terms and tools for labeling
> > > behavior.
> >
> > > Ambivalence may be a primitive warning sign, for instance, that
> > > persons or events do not "add up", yet it resides initially in the sub
> > > cs./emotions to begin with until it is able to be an intelligent
> > > assessment.
> >
> > > On Mar 10, 12:25 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > is ambivalence to be looked at in terms...or dissected of thesis,
> antithesis
> > > > and synthesis..only...the anti thesis is as natural as thesis...not merely
> > > > an artificial correction....
> >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:33 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Yikes!
> >
> > > > > But Mardi and Gibbs have other ideas on the subject which suggest
> > > > > ambivalence is quite normal.
> >
> > > > > It depends on the choice/decision. I am quite at ease in making most
> > > > > choices- informed, confident of my judgement and taste, etc. BUT...
> >
> > > > > There are some areas that do indeed get muddied up sometimes and that
> > > > > would often be relationships and the more intimate, the more
> > > > > complicated. But it could also be another type of decision that has
> > > > > consequences- a major purchase or committment to a career, etc. I am
> > > > > not talking about the Pruefrock debate.
> >
> > > > > Often there is a conflict between duty and expectation of one's
> > > > > position and desire, feelings, etc. that are hestitant or in
> > > > > opposition. In my case, I have agreed to a two week visit and I really
> > > > > do not feel up to it. (Guilt?) Could it be the long, longer, longest
> > > > > winter in memory? Is it putting away the knickknacks so the toddlers
> > > > > won't break them? Is it that my routine and order will fly to the
> > > > > winds? Or will the advent of spring- for surely it will arrive one of
> > > > > these days- open windows, no boots, change the entire atmosphere? If
> > > > > the past is a guide, it will be fun and lovely and I will grieve when
> > > > > they depart. BUT...
> >
> > > > > This child and I are very close yet have really gone through some
> > > > > stuff together. I debated and she made reservations. :-) Am I still
> > > > > remembering her as a teenager?
> >
> > > > > Perhaps ambivalence comes into play when there is a good deal of
> > > > > history/information and we get swarmed. So Mardi and Gibbs make good
> > > > > points- go with your heart and accept the ambivalences. Afterall, it
> > > > > is all all those differences that add spice to relationships, as well.
> >
> > > > > But she can't have that ivory Buddha... :-)
> >
> > > > > The instance when someone defined ambivalence was crucial and I
> > > > > suppose part of a plan to help me assess facts versus wishes until I
> > > > > finally had the courage to file for divorce.
> >
> > > > > On Mar 10, 2:44 am, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > When felt as being problematic as rigsy does, ambivalence by
> > > > > > definition is 'pathological'.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambivalence
> >
> > > > > > The issue is not having been clarified enough to actually integrate
> > > > > > apparently differing issues, values, notions etc. So, in this context,
> > > > > > her feelings of distress point to an actual need for clarification.
> >
> > > > > > There is a point where one can actually integrate all aspects of a
> > > > > > situation/self. And, even though Wilber is more of a pop icon than a
> > > > > > final embodiment of truth, he and his integralism is a good place to
> > > > > > 'start' when it comes to this topic – ambivalence.
> >
> > > > >http://integrallife.com/http://www.integralworld.net/augustine4.htmlh...
> >
> > > > > > The topic, as simple as it is, can be made into a vast labyrinth of
> > > > > > thought.
> >
> > > > > > Molly on occasion addresses this too and in one of the above links
> > > > > > philosophers are addressed including Plato.
> >
> > > > > > As far as I've found, his "The Fifth" is about as far as one can go.
> >
> > > > > > On Mar 9, 8:34 am, gwilliamsn...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Re ambivalence - It is not pathological but absolutely normal.
> > > > > Love/hate exist in every relationship both with the self and the self
> and
> > > > > the self and others. If only we all were logical in the sense of
> scientific
> > > > > cause and effect we could always be 'objective." But we human beings are
> > > > > much more complex than simply disembodied intellects. There is also the
> > > > > realm of mixed feelings. When you add linear (scientific causality)
> logic
> > > > > with the realm of messy feelings you get a hybrid causality I refer to
> as
> > > > > experiential logic (thinking plus mixed feelings and emotions).
> > > > > Acknowledging this fact validate my wise psychoanalyst's insightful
> > > > > observation: "In between black and white are not shades of gray; rather,
> > > > > there are colors.
> >
> > > > > > > Gibbs Williams
> >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Minds Eye" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:46 am
> > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Ambivalence
> >
> > > > > > > I feel it in my mind and body and it can be very distressing- back
> and
> > > > > > > forth- this way and that- a maybe then no and all over again! :-)
> >
> > > > > > > The brain/logic could have one arena and the sub-conscious/emotions
> > > > > > > have another.
> >
> > > > > > > Sometimes I just don't decide and let whatever happens, happen- i.e.
> I
> > > > > > > tune out choice. This can be troublesome later if do not like the
> > > > > > > outcome! :-)
> >
> > > > > > > Someone once told me ambivalence is natural and normal and is a way
> of
> > > > > > > seeing things/relationships realistically. Perhaps that is true.
> >
> > > > > > > On Mar 9, 6:20 am, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > The first step is 'seeing' (being aware of) it.
> >
> > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 3:03 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > i so get what you mean......
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 6:47 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > How do you all/y'all handle this nettle?- Hide quoted text -
> >
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> > > > --
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[Mind's Eye] Re: are we as a global society moving forward or backward?

?bloke?

leerevdouglas@googlemail.com wrote:
> Heh you are a funny bloke?
>
> What happens I wonder if I say;
>
> When you put your hands on the bar and run, the roundabout goes around
> and around faster and faster. Like the roundabout people move around
> the sun, as everything works on circles and cycles, straight lines are
> not easily found in nature.
>
> Hahah now I've typed that I don't even know what it measn!
>
> If I found a spider in my house, I would run away screaming and call
> for my good wife to dispose of it, ohhh but without killing it, coz I
> might be afraid of the thing but it has a right to life.
>
> I feel the world remains largly uncoverd by much other than the
> steadily increasing cover of humanity.
>
> On Mar 31, 4:54 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > if u push on one end the teeter will totter up on the other , we dont
> > move in curcles around the sun because evrything else works on a
> > strate line , we do move in and out of prospartity, purple haze in my
> > eyes , cant tell if were moving up or down , so excuse me while i kiss
> > the sky.
> >
> > a mans word is more the honesty it also desentcy, and equal respect
> >
> > if i find a spider in my house i pick it up and set it out side , if a
> > spider bites me i slap it dead , that spider deserves that respect and
> > fair treatment ( justice ) simply because its alive .
> >
> > does anyone else feel that the world is being coverd in suggar, and
> > majic ferries  dust   ?!
> >
> >
> >
> > leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > Of course not all people are alike and what happens in East Cleveland
> > > is no mirror of the rest of the world.
> >
> > > Perhaps it is a function of my age but rest assured my word is still
> > > very much my bond, I am not the only, my 18 year male child has a fine
> > > (according to my POV) morality and is already also a man of his word.
> >
> > > Theer are many, many things that fail to pull society up, but I really
> > > do not sense that society has  or is being dragged down.  To do so
> > > means we must have reached a high point at some time, I see no forward
> > > movement as I see no backwards movement.
> >
> > > I hesitate to use the word stagnent, as that depicts no movement,
> > > perhaps then swaying to and fro is the mental image I wish to paint.
> >
> > > Yes that sorta sums it up I think. Society moves both up and down, and
> > > side to side, but it is not progresive movement, it is just moveing.
> >
> > > On Mar 30, 11:39 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > in the past people didnt toss words lightly, a mans word who he was ,
> > > > this was common dont ask 4 ref., seems to me if a person tosses words
> > > > lightly ,it because they dont respect others and there for deserve no
> > > > respect from others , these typs of people are a big part of what
> > > > drags society down, dispicable.
> >
> > > > i live in east cleveland  (in top 10 murder rate in america), here u
> > > > cross someone  w- ur word youd better be reddy to defend your statment
> > > > in a very literal way !
> >
> > > > the taoist shaman wrote:
> > > > > doug if i didnt specify global youd probably find some falt in that
> > > > > too
> >
> > > > > the taoist shaman wrote:
> > > > > > allin my reference point is still obsevabe today , a time befor
> > > > > > building with stone, a time living in huts , cabbins , tents, in
> > > > > > nature with nature, tribe like
> >
> > > > > > On Mar 30, 1:48 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > if u tell yourself you cant make change in the world your right ~
> > > > > > > actionless abomitable stagnation ,
> >
> > > > > > > through a rock in the water , u see the ripple , but underneeth the
> > > > > > > surface , the view is merky.
> >
> > > > > > > rigsy03 wrote:
> > > > > > > > Or treading water?
> >
> > > > > > > > But we must not be so proud to think we can change the ways of the
> > > > > > > > world. Does evil exist to spur virtue- like kind of a shock?
> >
> > > > > > > > I do see forward improvements in my family from my parents to my
> > > > > > > > children and grandchildren so something took place. MOI! :-) I am
> > > > > > > > laughing...
> >
> > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 4:00 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I would guess we are staying roughtly in the same place.
> >
> > > > > > > > > We still have war, we still have despots clinging to power we still
> > > > > > > > > have shady democracy and the haves and have nots.  We have patriotism,
> > > > > > > > > we have religious strife, we have those that are oppresed and those
> > > > > > > > > that oppress.  No we have not moved far at all in the millenia that
> > > > > > > > > our species ceased to crawl on four legs.
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 7:18 am, allan deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > what is the reference point  we are to to use in determining this question
> > > > > > > > > > from?
> > > > > > > > > > Allan
> >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:43 AM, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > for me its easy to say to myself , " its doing bolth"  but
> > > > > > > > > > > thats ....... , eather vary simple minded or very profound or ......
> > > > > > > > > > > bolth , oh no , i think i brained my damage , i mean drained my
> > > > > > > > > > > bamage
> >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > >  (
> > > > > > > > > >   )
> > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan
> >
> > > > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
> > > > > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text -
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[Mind's Eye] Re: Raison d'etre - can we find one

wouldn't that belife itself make it true?


leerevdouglas@googlemail.com wrote:
> I have always found that a really strange take on things. Seperate
> from nauture how?
>
> As to seperate from God that is entirly up to what your take on what
> God is.
>
> My take says we are not seperate at all, yet we believe we are.
>
> On Mar 31, 4:23 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > perhaps there was  a time when there was no need of prophets because
> > virtue was inate , perhaps " the fruit of the knowledge of good and
> > evil " opened a part of the brain that opened the eyes of man and he
> > saw he was naked  and separated from nature and there for god , god
> > then needed to comunicate w-man through man , to bring him back to
> > unity w-god , as we origonaly were
> >
> >
> >
> > leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > A THOUGHT + Why did God wait until we brains had already stuffed up
> > > before he sent his prophets to help us out.
> >
> > > Pehraps God did not, perhaps even the cavmen had their prohpets?
> >
> > > On Mar 31, 7:07 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > If I understand Dawkins and Dennett correctly we can probably deduce
> > > > that previous to being convinced that Darwin had indeed developed a
> > > > convincing explanation showing that it is possible to create sentient,
> > > > rational beings from inanimate beginnings it was probably impossible
> > > > for anyone to not be a theist of some sort. Now that atheism is
> > > > rationally valid, to replace the goodness of God,it can be held that
> > > > its creed must provide consolation and meaning to life in order to
> > > > stave off despair without recourse to a supreme being other than the
> > > > universe itself. That is, for the theists of the world  to retain hope
> > > > and faith in their existence. For me, I find it easy to delude myself
> > > > that not only is religion to do with faith and hope which it fulfils
> > > > admirably but that it is also to do with truth. Clearly a trap that I
> > > > must avoid in order to empathise with believers.
> >
> > > > Hence my initial post - To geet a handle on some replacement for many
> > > > years of blind faith.
> >
> > > > Thanks for your contributions. If you have any more keep them coming.
> > > > I am all ears.
> >
> > > > A THOUGHT + Why did God wait until we brains had already stuffed up
> > > > before he sent his prophets to help us out.- Hide quoted text -
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Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: capitalism

you cant get rid of greed w-out getting rid of $

even then you cant get rid of greed , but it would be a lot easier to
controll

allan deheretic wrote:
> I don't think you will ever get rid of money but it is possible to create
> super funds in a relitivly short time.. the trick is to do it from the
> point of view of service to mankind instead of the greed of the
> individual.
> Allan
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:36 PM, leerevdouglas@googlemail.com <
> lee@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Allan,
> >
> > The point though is to get rid of the whole concept. There would be
> > no funds.
> >
> > I have said it before and no doubt I'll say it agian. Robot work
> > force!
> >
> > On Mar 31, 7:59 am, allan deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It would really be nice if we could get away from money ,, but the only
> > > solution I see is a communal one,, and creating common funds that are for
> > > the benefit of all people not just the few. using the money to create
> > > things like windmill power generation, vertical green houses where each
> > one
> > > can produce enough food for 50,000 people the list goes on.. I know
> > this
> > > type of project make money but, it would allow the funds to grow and
> > > eventually be able to over power the super rich.
> > > Allan
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, leerevdoug...@googlemail.com <
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > Bryan I'm with you 100% on this one.
> > >
> > > > Much of the worlds ills can be put down to simple love of money. Take
> > > > away the money, find a better way, I'm all for that.
> > >
> > > > On Mar 29, 7:28 pm, Bryan Oboczky <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Why should there b welth at all ? No welth no control +equality
> > > > > why does it have to be about my finantal situation. What about the
> > > > > people rationing water and food . People u never met ~nor have i ~...
> > > > > Lazarus... And once again the exact stats of welth dont matter/the
> > > > > point is the same~so yes i hold responsible the rich and system of $
> > > > > in general
> > >
> > > > > On 3/29/11, allan deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > It is not necessarily unimportant, last time I played cards for
> > money
> > > > (over
> > > > > > 32 years ago) I sat at a black jack table and started with $80 and
> > when
> > > > I
> > > > > > quit I had over $28,000.oo in chips in my pocket.. in the game the
> > put
> > > > in
> > > > > > two shill dealers against me. I lost my job as a dealer over it,
> > also
> > > > > > decided it was immoral. So I quit gambling.. point is you never
> > know
> > > > who
> > > > > > you are playing against.
> > >
> > > > > > If you want a redistribution of wealth then it requires a wise plan
> > and
> > > > > > massive amounts of knowledge. It is possible but to do it you
> > would
> > > > need to
> > > > > > totally stay away from drugs.. and then understand your beliefs and
> > > > then how
> > > > > > create a church to keep the wealth from evaporating or ending up in
> > > > > > an individuals hands.. You will need to understand funds and
> > economic
> > > > > > development.. as well as keeping it working for all the people. It
> > is
> > > > a
> > > > > > tricky path to walk. but possible .. lol one step at a time.
> > > > > > Allan
> > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:05 PM, the taoist shaman
> > > > > > <bryan...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > > >> i know its not realistic , u being better at cards than me is
> > beside
> > > > > >> the point , its not 500 to 50 its 1 holding 98 to 99 holding 2 ,
> > if u
> > > > > >> think thats a fair playing feild and that were not going to end up
> > > > > >> slaves to the rich?! so what ,its adog eat dog world and thats
> > that?!
> > > > > >> FTS! and how many people would prefer poverty and gov. control
> > over
> > > > > >> freedom and prosparety ! the rich and the politician , but soon
> > the
> > > > > >> politician will be the only one to hold wleth, capitalism is
> > coming
> > > > > >> to an end , if one person or group holds all $ there is no money
> > only
> > > > > >> compleate control, but this would cause revolution , so u throw a
> > bone
> > > > > >> for the dog to chew and keep him bussy and happy , dosile, r u a
> > dog ,
> > > > > >> am I !
> > >
> > > > > >> leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > > > >> > Your card game anology does not take into account the skill of
> > the
> > > > > >> > players.
> > >
> > > > > >> > I'm in fact a very good card player and I recon if you start
> > with
> > > > $500
> > > > > >> > and I $50 then there is a slightly less than even chance I'll
> > take
> > > > all
> > > > > >> > of your money.
> > >
> > > > > >> > On Mar 29, 1:38 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >> > > organized world wide revelution, this conversation is proof of
> > > > fast
> > > > > >> > > easy communication , if evryone picks up a gun at the same
> > time,
> > > > to
> > > > > >> > > rebell against all gov..... . . . there would or course ,
> > > > > >> > > afterwards , need to be NON PROFIT organizations set up by
> > the
> > > > > >> > > people for transportation and equal distrabution of goods -
> > > > evryone
> > > > > >> > > pulls weight- if u want to go to school to be a doctor u
> > reward is
> > > > > >> > > pride and doing good for others- the greedy selfseeking people
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > >> > > world who diminish the quality of life for litteraly billions
> > of
> > > > > >> > > others - would have nothing to leech off
> > >
> > > > > >> > > if we play a game of cards and i start withh 500$ to evryone
> > elses
> > > > 50$
> > > > > >> > > - and i dont take every last bit of $ from evryone else
> > > > > >> > > - .... . . . well , i would have to be stupid - or evryone
> > else
> > > > > >> > > would have to quit the game befor i took everything thay had -
> > and
> > > > if
> > > > > >> > > they didnt , they would have to be stupid.
> > >
> > > > > >> > > i think its time we quit the game
> > >
> > > > > >> > > leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > What do you propose?
> > >
> > > > > >> > > > On Mar 28, 12:03 am, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > > 98% of the worlds welth is held by 1% of the population
> > > > .........
> > > > > >> even
> > > > > >> > > > > gov. that isnt capitalist is subjected to capitalism
> > ......
> > > > the
> > > > > >> entire
> > > > > >> > > > > world is...... what happens when 100% is held by 1% , how
> > do
> > > > we
> > > > > >> > > > > all
> > > > > >> > > > > accept this, because thats the way it is? are we a colony
> > of
> > > > ants
> > > > > >> > > > > working for our queen because we are told to?....... are
> > we so
> > > > > >> simple
> > > > > >> > > > > as a species the we will accept what situation were given
> > > > untill
> > > > > >> > > > > it
> > > > > >> > > > > gets so bad that we have to fight
> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > if theres a storm on the horizon do u wate for it to come
> > > > before
> > > > > >> > > > > taking shelter ?- Hide quoted text -
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> > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > (
> > > > > > )
> > > > > > I_D Allan
> > >
> > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
> > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > >
> > > --
> > > (
> > > )
> > > I_D Allan
> > >
> > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
> > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text -
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>
>
>
>
> --
> (
> )
> I_D Allan
>
> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Powersupply

its pritty complicated , aquafers - lay lines , might not be
feizable , - the great pyramid has no hylogriphics so why do people
think its a tumb , no mummy , artifacts , ect . its a huge electric
conductor , tesla knew somthing we dont , or so it seems

allan deheretic wrote:
> Telsa is an interesting person, and had a lot of good ideas,, I have
> several friends that are fanatics and that in truth is a good word
> to describe to them. Some of his ideas were excellent and very valuable
> and some of them are just mere phenomena If the switch worked generating or
> conserving power it would be in wide spread use,, but it isn't.
> Allan
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:08 PM, DarkwaterBlight
> <douglas.blight@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Edison's rival was Nikola Tesla and in the late 1800's he was even
> > more famous than Edison. He is credited for inventing the modern radio
> > and the Tesla coil which is still used in radios and t.v.'s today.
> > Many of his inventions were lost to the public as the patents were
> > bought out. John Bedini took one of Tesla's inventions (Tesla switch)
> > and invented a generator that is essentialy a "free energy device". He
> > presented this device at the Tesla Centennial Symposium in Colorado
> > Springs, CO, on August, 11, 1984
> >
> > On Mar 30, 3:48 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > this is an exelant topic, i forget his name (eddisons rival in power
> > > supply) he mimmicked the great pyramid , even built his proto typ on
> > > an aquifer, i know it sounds crazy , but only because we have been
> > > taught to belive its crazy, i dont have the brain to get into detail ,
> > > the only reason eddison won because his rival , ?fudechie? wanted to
> > > supply power for free, edison to profit, so it comes back to this, $
> > >
> > > our attempt at alternative energy is sad, were still going to space on
> > > rockets! WTF! E=Mc2 energy = mass x the speed of light squared! if we
> > > cant make that safe weve blundered a gift from nature
> > >
> > > if we could find a way to make anti matter affordably we could create
> > > enough energy to make oil look as powerfull as horshack on morphine ,
> > > welcom back cotter, good song for that show
> > >
> > > i dont know much about this but look forward to hearing others
> > >
> > > greetings matt, nice to meet u
> > >
> > > On Mar 30, 2:20 pm, Matthijs <matthijs.dok...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > So with the recent developments in Japan, governments consider closing
> > > > nuclear power plants. So I was wondering what is the future concerning
> > > > our power needs?- Hide quoted text -
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>
>
>
>
> --
> (
> )
> I_D Allan
>
> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: capitalism

I don't think you will ever get rid of money  but it is possible to create super funds in a relitivly short time..   the trick is to do it from the point of view of service to mankind   instead of the greed of the individual.
Allan

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:36 PM, leerevdouglas@googlemail.com <lee@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
Hey Allan,

The point though is to get rid of the whole concept.  There would be
no funds.

I have said it before and no doubt I'll say it agian.  Robot work
force!

On Mar 31, 7:59 am, allan deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It would really be nice if we could get away from money ,, but the only
> solution I see is a communal one,, and creating common funds that are for
> the benefit of all people not just the few.  using the money to create
> things like windmill power generation, vertical green houses where each one
> can produce enough food for 50,000 people  the list goes on..  I know this
> type of project make money  but, it would allow the funds to grow and
> eventually be able to over power the super rich.
> Allan
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, leerevdoug...@googlemail.com <
>
>
>
>
>
> l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > Bryan I'm with you 100% on this one.
>
> > Much of the worlds ills can be put down to simple love of money.  Take
> > away the money, find a better way, I'm all for that.
>
> > On Mar 29, 7:28 pm, Bryan Oboczky <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Why should there b welth at all ? No welth no control +equality
> > > why does it have to be about my finantal situation. What about the
> > > people rationing water and food . People u never met ~nor have i ~...
> > > Lazarus... And once again the exact stats of welth dont matter/the
> > > point is the same~so yes i hold responsible the rich and system of $
> > > in general
>
> > > On 3/29/11, allan deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > It is not necessarily unimportant, last time I played cards for money
> > (over
> > > > 32 years ago) I sat at a black jack table and started with $80 and when
> > I
> > > > quit I had over $28,000.oo in chips in my pocket.. in the game the put
> > in
> > > > two shill dealers against me.  I lost my job as a dealer over it, also
> > > > decided it was immoral. So I quit gambling..  point is you never know
> > who
> > > > you are playing against.
>
> > > > If you want a redistribution of wealth then it requires a wise plan and
> > > > massive amounts of knowledge.  It is possible but to do it you would
> > need to
> > > > totally stay away from drugs.. and then understand your beliefs and
> > then how
> > > > create a church to keep the wealth from evaporating or ending up in
> > > > an individuals hands..  You will need to understand funds and economic
> > > > development.. as well as keeping it working for all the people.  It is
> > a
> > > > tricky path to walk. but possible .. lol one step at a time.
> > > > Allan
>
> > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:05 PM, the taoist shaman
> > > > <bryan...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > >> i know its not realistic , u being better at cards than me is beside
> > > >> the point , its not 500 to 50 its 1 holding 98 to 99 holding 2 , if u
> > > >> think thats a fair playing feild and that were not going to end up
> > > >> slaves to the rich?! so what ,its adog eat dog world and thats that?!
> > > >> FTS! and how many people would prefer poverty and gov. control over
> > > >> freedom and prosparety ! the rich and the politician , but soon the
> > > >> politician will be the only  one to hold wleth, capitalism is coming
> > > >> to an end , if one person or group holds all $ there is no money only
> > > >> compleate control, but this would cause revolution , so u throw a bone
> > > >> for the dog to chew and keep him bussy and happy , dosile, r u a dog ,
> > > >> am I !
>
> > > >> leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > >> > Your card game anology does not take into account the skill of the
> > > >> > players.
>
> > > >> > I'm in fact a very good card player and I recon if you start with
> > $500
> > > >> > and I $50 then there is a slightly less than even chance I'll take
> > all
> > > >> > of your money.
>
> > > >> > On Mar 29, 1:38 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > organized world wide revelution, this conversation is proof of
> > fast
> > > >> > > easy communication , if evryone picks up a gun at the same time,
> > to
> > > >> > > rebell against all gov..... .  .  . there would or course ,
> > > >> > > afterwards , need to be  NON PROFIT organizations set up by the
> > > >> > > people  for transportation and equal distrabution of goods -
> > evryone
> > > >> > > pulls weight- if u want to go to school to be a doctor u reward is
> > > >> > > pride and doing good for others- the greedy selfseeking people of
> > the
> > > >> > > world who diminish the quality of life for litteraly billions of
> > > >> > > others - would have nothing to leech off
>
> > > >> > > if we play a game of cards and i start withh 500$ to evryone elses
> > 50$
> > > >> > > - and i dont take every last bit of $ from evryone else
> > > >> > > - .... .  .   . well , i would have to be stupid - or evryone else
> > > >> > > would have to quit the game befor i took everything thay had - and
> > if
> > > >> > > they didnt , they would have to be stupid.
>
> > > >> > > i think its time we quit the game
>
> > > >> > > leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > >> > > > What do you propose?
>
> > > >> > > > On Mar 28, 12:03 am, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > 98% of the worlds welth is held by 1% of the population
> > .........
> > > >> even
> > > >> > > > > gov. that isnt capitalist is subjected to capitalism ......
> > the
> > > >> entire
> > > >> > > > > world is...... what happens when 100% is held by 1% , how do
> > we
> > > >> > > > > all
> > > >> > > > > accept this, because thats the way it is?  are we a colony of
> > ants
> > > >> > > > > working for our queen because we are told to?....... are we so
> > > >> simple
> > > >> > > > > as a species the we will accept what situation were given
> > untill
> > > >> > > > > it
> > > >> > > > > gets so bad that we have to fight
>
> > > >> > > > > if theres a storm on the horizon do u wate for it to come
> > before
> > > >> > > > > taking shelter ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > --
> > > >  (
> > > >   )
> > > > I_D Allan
>
> > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
> > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> --
>  (
>   )
> I_D Allan
>
> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



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Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: capitalism

If you are bi polar  take your medicines they do work..
Allan

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:19 PM, the taoist shaman <bryanobo@gmail.com> wrote:
hey evreyone! sorry if i go over the top sometimes , im bi pollar and
can get VARY angry-frusterataed <----  me good for
spelling ! ........... . . .   .   . hhmmmmm?

leerevdouglas@googlemail.com wrote:
> Hey Allan,
>
> The point though is to get rid of the whole concept.  There would be
> no funds.
>
> I have said it before and no doubt I'll say it agian.  Robot work
> force!
>
> On Mar 31, 7:59 am, allan deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It would really be nice if we could get away from money ,, but the only
> > solution I see is a communal one,, and creating common funds that are for
> > the benefit of all people not just the few.  using the money to create
> > things like windmill power generation, vertical green houses where each one
> > can produce enough food for 50,000 people  the list goes on..  I know this
> > type of project make money  but, it would allow the funds to grow and
> > eventually be able to over power the super rich.
> > Allan
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, leerevdoug...@googlemail.com <
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > Bryan I'm with you 100% on this one.
> >
> > > Much of the worlds ills can be put down to simple love of money.  Take
> > > away the money, find a better way, I'm all for that.
> >
> > > On Mar 29, 7:28 pm, Bryan Oboczky <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Why should there b welth at all ? No welth no control +equality
> > > > why does it have to be about my finantal situation. What about the
> > > > people rationing water and food . People u never met ~nor have i ~...
> > > > Lazarus... And once again the exact stats of welth dont matter/the
> > > > point is the same~so yes i hold responsible the rich and system of $
> > > > in general
> >
> > > > On 3/29/11, allan deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > It is not necessarily unimportant, last time I played cards for money
> > > (over
> > > > > 32 years ago) I sat at a black jack table and started with $80 and when
> > > I
> > > > > quit I had over $28,000.oo in chips in my pocket.. in the game the put
> > > in
> > > > > two shill dealers against me.  I lost my job as a dealer over it, also
> > > > > decided it was immoral. So I quit gambling..  point is you never know
> > > who
> > > > > you are playing against.
> >
> > > > > If you want a redistribution of wealth then it requires a wise plan and
> > > > > massive amounts of knowledge.  It is possible but to do it you would
> > > need to
> > > > > totally stay away from drugs.. and then understand your beliefs and
> > > then how
> > > > > create a church to keep the wealth from evaporating or ending up in
> > > > > an individuals hands..  You will need to understand funds and economic
> > > > > development.. as well as keeping it working for all the people.  It is
> > > a
> > > > > tricky path to walk. but possible .. lol one step at a time.
> > > > > Allan
> >
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:05 PM, the taoist shaman
> > > > > <bryan...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > > >> i know its not realistic , u being better at cards than me is beside
> > > > >> the point , its not 500 to 50 its 1 holding 98 to 99 holding 2 , if u
> > > > >> think thats a fair playing feild and that were not going to end up
> > > > >> slaves to the rich?! so what ,its adog eat dog world and thats that?!
> > > > >> FTS! and how many people would prefer poverty and gov. control over
> > > > >> freedom and prosparety ! the rich and the politician , but soon the
> > > > >> politician will be the only  one to hold wleth, capitalism is coming
> > > > >> to an end , if one person or group holds all $ there is no money only
> > > > >> compleate control, but this would cause revolution , so u throw a bone
> > > > >> for the dog to chew and keep him bussy and happy , dosile, r u a dog ,
> > > > >> am I !
> >
> > > > >> leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > > >> > Your card game anology does not take into account the skill of the
> > > > >> > players.
> >
> > > > >> > I'm in fact a very good card player and I recon if you start with
> > > $500
> > > > >> > and I $50 then there is a slightly less than even chance I'll take
> > > all
> > > > >> > of your money.
> >
> > > > >> > On Mar 29, 1:38 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > > organized world wide revelution, this conversation is proof of
> > > fast
> > > > >> > > easy communication , if evryone picks up a gun at the same time,
> > > to
> > > > >> > > rebell against all gov..... .  .  . there would or course ,
> > > > >> > > afterwards , need to be  NON PROFIT organizations set up by the
> > > > >> > > people  for transportation and equal distrabution of goods -
> > > evryone
> > > > >> > > pulls weight- if u want to go to school to be a doctor u reward is
> > > > >> > > pride and doing good for others- the greedy selfseeking people of
> > > the
> > > > >> > > world who diminish the quality of life for litteraly billions of
> > > > >> > > others - would have nothing to leech off
> >
> > > > >> > > if we play a game of cards and i start withh 500$ to evryone elses
> > > 50$
> > > > >> > > - and i dont take every last bit of $ from evryone else
> > > > >> > > - .... .  .   . well , i would have to be stupid - or evryone else
> > > > >> > > would have to quit the game befor i took everything thay had - and
> > > if
> > > > >> > > they didnt , they would have to be stupid.
> >
> > > > >> > > i think its time we quit the game
> >
> > > > >> > > leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > > >> > > > What do you propose?
> >
> > > > >> > > > On Mar 28, 12:03 am, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > 98% of the worlds welth is held by 1% of the population
> > > .........
> > > > >> even
> > > > >> > > > > gov. that isnt capitalist is subjected to capitalism ......
> > > the
> > > > >> entire
> > > > >> > > > > world is...... what happens when 100% is held by 1% , how do
> > > we
> > > > >> > > > > all
> > > > >> > > > > accept this, because thats the way it is?  are we a colony of
> > > ants
> > > > >> > > > > working for our queen because we are told to?....... are we so
> > > > >> simple
> > > > >> > > > > as a species the we will accept what situation were given
> > > untill
> > > > >> > > > > it
> > > > >> > > > > gets so bad that we have to fight
> >
> > > > >> > > > > if theres a storm on the horizon do u wate for it to come
> > > before
> > > > >> > > > > taking shelter ?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > >> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > --
> > > > >  (
> > > > >   )
> > > > > I_D Allan
> >
> > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
> > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > --
> >  (
> >   )
> > I_D Allan
> >
> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -



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[Mind's Eye] Re: Powersupply

im sorry im just a LITTLE BIT bi pollar, get frustrated easy , at the
same time u can make a point without being rude , but still im sorry

i told this dude the other day that im bi pollar , he thought i liked
dressing up as a big white bear and having sex with bolth men and
wommen, started coming on to me, ....... it was ocward


leerevdouglas@googlemail.com wrote:
> Heheh taoist, I'm a smart arse and a synic, shoud I be stommped out?
> Or are we reserving this for those who show the full compliment of
> atributes?
>
> On Mar 31, 3:54 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > why arnt we useing or at least puting into reserch teslas ideas , no
> > one would make $ ?
> >
> > allin there is a vast amount of untaped energy in the wind .
> > uuuuhhhhhhhhh i think smart ass , synical , self glorifying people ,
> > need to be stomped out , and exposed as the filth that they are. oh
> > but thats right we alredy made big fans , w-A    D MF er , not u
> > allin, ........... oh god im giving in to the ways of the simple
> > minded that i rebuke arnt i !? damn oh well , EACH OF US ARE HUMAN
> > RIGHT!
> >
> >
> >
> > DarkwaterBlight wrote:
> > > Edison's rival was Nikola Tesla and in the late 1800's he was even
> > > more famous than Edison. He is credited for inventing the modern radio
> > > and the Tesla coil which is still used in radios and t.v.'s today.
> > > Many of his inventions were lost to the public as the patents were
> > > bought out. John Bedini took one of Tesla's inventions (Tesla switch)
> > > and invented a generator that is essentialy a "free energy device". He
> > > presented this device at the Tesla Centennial Symposium in Colorado
> > > Springs, CO, on August, 11, 1984
> >
> > > On Mar 30, 3:48 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > this is an exelant topic, i forget his name (eddisons rival in power
> > > > supply) he mimmicked the great pyramid , even built his proto typ on
> > > > an aquifer, i know it sounds crazy , but only because we have been
> > > > taught to belive its crazy, i dont have the brain to get into detail ,
> > > > the only reason eddison won because his rival , ?fudechie? wanted to
> > > > supply power for free, edison to profit, so it comes back to this, $
> >
> > > > our attempt at alternative energy is sad, were still going to space on
> > > > rockets! WTF! E=Mc2 energy = mass x the speed of light squared! if we
> > > > cant make that safe weve blundered a gift from nature
> >
> > > > if we could find a way to make anti matter affordably we could create
> > > > enough energy to make oil look as powerfull as  horshack on morphine ,
> > > > welcom back cotter, good song for that show
> >
> > > > i dont know much about this but look forward to hearing others
> >
> > > > greetings matt, nice to meet u
> >
> > > > On Mar 30, 2:20 pm, Matthijs <matthijs.dok...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > So with the recent developments in Japan, governments consider closing
> > > > > nuclear power plants. So I was wondering what is the future concerning
> > > > > our power needs?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -

Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Powersupply

Telsa is an interesting person, and had a lot of good ideas,,  I have several friends that are fanatics    and that in truth is a good word to describe to them. Some of his ideas were excellent  and very valuable  and some of them are just mere phenomena If the switch worked generating or conserving power  it would be in wide spread use,, but it isn't.
Allan 

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:08 PM, DarkwaterBlight <douglas.blight@gmail.com> wrote:
Edison's rival was Nikola Tesla and in the late 1800's he was even
more famous than Edison. He is credited for inventing the modern radio
and the Tesla coil which is still used in radios and t.v.'s today.
Many of his inventions were lost to the public as the patents were
bought out. John Bedini took one of Tesla's inventions (Tesla switch)
and invented a generator that is essentialy a "free energy device". He
presented this device at the Tesla Centennial Symposium in Colorado
Springs, CO, on August, 11, 1984

On Mar 30, 3:48 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> this is an exelant topic, i forget his name (eddisons rival in power
> supply) he mimmicked the great pyramid , even built his proto typ on
> an aquifer, i know it sounds crazy , but only because we have been
> taught to belive its crazy, i dont have the brain to get into detail ,
> the only reason eddison won because his rival , ?fudechie? wanted to
> supply power for free, edison to profit, so it comes back to this, $
>
> our attempt at alternative energy is sad, were still going to space on
> rockets! WTF! E=Mc2 energy = mass x the speed of light squared! if we
> cant make that safe weve blundered a gift from nature
>
> if we could find a way to make anti matter affordably we could create
> enough energy to make oil look as powerfull as  horshack on morphine ,
> welcom back cotter, good song for that show
>
> i dont know much about this but look forward to hearing others
>
> greetings matt, nice to meet u
>
> On Mar 30, 2:20 pm, Matthijs <matthijs.dok...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > So with the recent developments in Japan, governments consider closing
> > nuclear power plants. So I was wondering what is the future concerning
> > our power needs?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



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[Mind's Eye] Re: Raison d'etre - can we find one

Another angle might be the move to being a more parasitic and less symbiotic species in relation to nature. Like children lacking foresight hellbent on feeding unending desires wielding a devastatingly effective industriousness.

[Mind's Eye] Re: human experience

You ain't weird, jumping off the deep end must mean you are a person
who likes to take a leap of faith. I think that is a good quality.
Matthijs

On 30 mrt, 21:24, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> to put a break in thought   seperate ideas   (used to reading tings
> like , chaung tzu)  make thing easy to retain/understand , i dont know
> im weird , as far as an introduction..........lets say it like this ,
> i enjoy swimming , try to stay out of the shallow end and reside in
> the middle , but too often jump off the deep end!
>
> On Mar 30, 2:15 pm, Matthijs <matthijs.dok...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Shaman Bryan nice to meet you. May I ask (for introduction) why you
> > TYPE..... like             , this.....?
>
> > On 30 mrt, 20:10, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > entheogens?
>
> > > ornamentalmind wrote:
> > > > Entheogens have their function and they are not necessary either.
>
> > > > On Mar 29, 11:05 pm, allan deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > ;o)  good to see you are still around Matthijs,
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Matthijs <matthijs.dok...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > Hello, hope you all do fine after such a long time.
>
> > > > > > On the subject, in my wild years I used to smoke marijuana in the
> > > > > > weekends. On one of those Saturday nights my friends bought space-cake
> > > > > > I decided not to take it but put in my jacked. So I went to the bar
> > > > > > had some beer. Being a little tipsy and tired I went home. On the way
> > > > > > home I got hungry so I ate the cake in my pocket. At home I went
> > > > > > upstairs to bed. Then something incredible happened. While I was
> > > > > > sleeping I remember thinking about god, and then I felt it: Gods love
> > > > > > in everything, I put on my headphone, because I really made it to
> > > > > > heaven, listening to dire straits. I remember crying, feeling heaven
> > > > > > all around me like a warm blanket, damn it was so beautiful. So I went
> > > > > > downstairs thanking my mother and father for there love, they were
> > > > > > flabbergasted. Woke my sister and embraced her, I felt the love that
> > > > > > is the key of life. Went downstairs and fell asleep on the couch.
> > > > > > I still believe that I was touched by something that evening, some may
> > > > > > say I O.D. This experience was for me way to powerful to be space-cake
> > > > > > and beer. It just helped me open my eyes that evening to see God.
> > > > > > There is a big difference between knowing and feeling God. Some people
> > > > > > found it with teonanácatl. Well, I did it with some cake.
>
> > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > Matthijs Dokter
>
> > > > > > On 22 mrt, 09:00, iam deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Thanks Bryan ..  actual I think this is am interesting thought worth
> > > > > > > discussing
>
> > > > > > > "Are we human beings that have spiritual experience , or spiritual
> > > > > > > beings haveing a human experience ?"
>
> > > > > > > Never have looked at the idea from this angle  or at least from these
> > > > > > words.
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >  (
> > > > > > >   )
> > > > > > > I_D Allan
>
> > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
> > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
>
> > > > > --
> > > > >  (
> > > > >   )
> > > > > I_D Allan
>
> > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
> > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -