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gwilliamsn...@aol.com wrote:
> I think not right choice is the resolution of ambivalence. Rather ambivalence - as I understand its nature - always involves
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> the presence and overlapping of strong positive or negative feelings of embracing or rejecting. (Love/ hate) The resolution to ambivalence ultimately is the toleration of imperfections, frustration, and inevitable disappointments.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rigsy03 <rigsy03@gmail.com>
> To: "Minds Eye" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 8:31 am
> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Ambivalence
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> Yes- it boils down to choice. Informed choice.
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> Robert Frost has stated it well in "The Road Not Taken". "Two roads
> diverged in a wood, and I-/ I took the one less traveled by,/ And that
> has made all the difference." ll.18-20
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> On Mar 13, 4:04 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > you know..it might be totally irrelevant to this...but yesterday...i
> > was walking home...and i got the fork where you take the short cut or
> > the longer way round...and suddenly this post came to my mind....and i
> > was thinking... you know...there are no directions in reality ...its
> > only right and left for us and even thats relative...not a novel
> > thought i know..but i just felt ...it should be put here....
> >
> > On Mar 12, 7:59 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > I thought more about this topic. I gave a minor example regarding an
> > > impending visit but ambilvalence can be more serious, I think. And
> > > maybe I have used the wrong term to begin with! We were raised, for
> > > instance, to ignore the incongruities in others and depended on
> > > etiquette to get us through- we didn't often question the disconnect
> > > but that began to change in the '70's with pop psychology and more
> > > openess in relationships plus new terms and tools for labeling
> > > behavior.
> >
> > > Ambivalence may be a primitive warning sign, for instance, that
> > > persons or events do not "add up", yet it resides initially in the sub
> > > cs./emotions to begin with until it is able to be an intelligent
> > > assessment.
> >
> > > On Mar 10, 12:25 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > is ambivalence to be looked at in terms...or dissected of thesis,
> antithesis
> > > > and synthesis..only...the anti thesis is as natural as thesis...not merely
> > > > an artificial correction....
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> > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:33 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Yikes!
> >
> > > > > But Mardi and Gibbs have other ideas on the subject which suggest
> > > > > ambivalence is quite normal.
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> > > > > It depends on the choice/decision. I am quite at ease in making most
> > > > > choices- informed, confident of my judgement and taste, etc. BUT...
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> > > > > There are some areas that do indeed get muddied up sometimes and that
> > > > > would often be relationships and the more intimate, the more
> > > > > complicated. But it could also be another type of decision that has
> > > > > consequences- a major purchase or committment to a career, etc. I am
> > > > > not talking about the Pruefrock debate.
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> > > > > Often there is a conflict between duty and expectation of one's
> > > > > position and desire, feelings, etc. that are hestitant or in
> > > > > opposition. In my case, I have agreed to a two week visit and I really
> > > > > do not feel up to it. (Guilt?) Could it be the long, longer, longest
> > > > > winter in memory? Is it putting away the knickknacks so the toddlers
> > > > > won't break them? Is it that my routine and order will fly to the
> > > > > winds? Or will the advent of spring- for surely it will arrive one of
> > > > > these days- open windows, no boots, change the entire atmosphere? If
> > > > > the past is a guide, it will be fun and lovely and I will grieve when
> > > > > they depart. BUT...
> >
> > > > > This child and I are very close yet have really gone through some
> > > > > stuff together. I debated and she made reservations. :-) Am I still
> > > > > remembering her as a teenager?
> >
> > > > > Perhaps ambivalence comes into play when there is a good deal of
> > > > > history/information and we get swarmed. So Mardi and Gibbs make good
> > > > > points- go with your heart and accept the ambivalences. Afterall, it
> > > > > is all all those differences that add spice to relationships, as well.
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> > > > > But she can't have that ivory Buddha... :-)
> >
> > > > > The instance when someone defined ambivalence was crucial and I
> > > > > suppose part of a plan to help me assess facts versus wishes until I
> > > > > finally had the courage to file for divorce.
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> > > > > On Mar 10, 2:44 am, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > When felt as being problematic as rigsy does, ambivalence by
> > > > > > definition is 'pathological'.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambivalence
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> > > > > > The issue is not having been clarified enough to actually integrate
> > > > > > apparently differing issues, values, notions etc. So, in this context,
> > > > > > her feelings of distress point to an actual need for clarification.
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> > > > > > There is a point where one can actually integrate all aspects of a
> > > > > > situation/self. And, even though Wilber is more of a pop icon than a
> > > > > > final embodiment of truth, he and his integralism is a good place to
> > > > > > 'start' when it comes to this topic – ambivalence.
> >
> > > > >http://integrallife.com/http://www.integralworld.net/augustine4.htmlh...
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> > > > > > The topic, as simple as it is, can be made into a vast labyrinth of
> > > > > > thought.
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> > > > > > Molly on occasion addresses this too and in one of the above links
> > > > > > philosophers are addressed including Plato.
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> > > > > > As far as I've found, his "The Fifth" is about as far as one can go.
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> > > > > > On Mar 9, 8:34 am, gwilliamsn...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Re ambivalence - It is not pathological but absolutely normal.
> > > > > Love/hate exist in every relationship both with the self and the self
> and
> > > > > the self and others. If only we all were logical in the sense of
> scientific
> > > > > cause and effect we could always be 'objective." But we human beings are
> > > > > much more complex than simply disembodied intellects. There is also the
> > > > > realm of mixed feelings. When you add linear (scientific causality)
> logic
> > > > > with the realm of messy feelings you get a hybrid causality I refer to
> as
> > > > > experiential logic (thinking plus mixed feelings and emotions).
> > > > > Acknowledging this fact validate my wise psychoanalyst's insightful
> > > > > observation: "In between black and white are not shades of gray; rather,
> > > > > there are colors.
> >
> > > > > > > Gibbs Williams
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> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Minds Eye" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:46 am
> > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Ambivalence
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> > > > > > > I feel it in my mind and body and it can be very distressing- back
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> > > > > > > forth- this way and that- a maybe then no and all over again! :-)
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> > > > > > > The brain/logic could have one arena and the sub-conscious/emotions
> > > > > > > have another.
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> > > > > > > Sometimes I just don't decide and let whatever happens, happen- i.e.
> I
> > > > > > > tune out choice. This can be troublesome later if do not like the
> > > > > > > outcome! :-)
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> > > > > > > Someone once told me ambivalence is natural and normal and is a way
> of
> > > > > > > seeing things/relationships realistically. Perhaps that is true.
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> > > > > > > On Mar 9, 6:20 am, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > The first step is 'seeing' (being aware of) it.
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> > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 3:03 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > i so get what you mean......
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> > > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 6:47 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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