Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence

Arrogance is a tough one RP.  In humble relations someone is generally being mugged unless their is reciprocity.  Self-deception plays a role too, as does the 'face work' of those only humble in political correctness.  Questioning is often perceived as a hostile intrusion.  Mutual understanding is rarely the goal in human interrelations.  Gabby is right there is a lot that needs kicking away, yet how to do this without falling out, how to get to the 'real' if we have to expend so much energy maintaining cosiness?

Words are a small part of the word.  Molly sounds quite arrogant in denying any base for it in Christianity.  This is small beer and I catch myself at similar.  I don't have faith in old script or most of what we produce now - I can have plenty in Molly's difference from me  and RP as a friend.  Much economics is polemic and can be seen as rhetorical sword fighting over nothing relevant.

It's not that unusual to find physicists talking about the cosmic code and various dodges they use to interpret it.  The latest is the holographic waffle I gave a taste of - the best writer is called Smoot.  I don't know enough physics, but still feel (arrogantly) that  they are missing something.  And I feel the same on what we all say.  Pol hits a lot of the right notes in the other current thread.

When we are all coming up short in argument I don't think there is much point claiming the other is 'resisting conversion'.  Bible quotes may have even less effect on me than RP!

On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 6:41:49 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote:

It is very rare for a person to know when he is arrogant, such insight can come only to a modest person who is arrogant only occasionally.

On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 9:02 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

That's rather close to Willard Quine Allan.  The question is largely about who receives whom in arrogance.  The ignorant are often the most arrogant of all.

On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 3:24:25 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

In christianity is the statement in the beginning was the word and the word was with God. Sound familiar?

I read that or hear statements like that what i hear is people that have no clue and presenting double talk to appear to have an answer. Further more they want no answer so any other possibility is automatically rejected.

So if a possibility is presented it is rejected because for no other reason than it does not fit your perception.

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence

Allan I rejected this answer because without the answer to the first question it makes no sense.

Allan, I don't know what you make of God's omnipotence, but for me he has the power to create without any raw material, unlike us poor people needing God made sperms and eggs to create a life.

On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:39 PM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:

RP how can you expect an answer when you automatically reject the answer you are given? Unless it fits the answer you want to hear..
Let me ask you a question.  You say the universe was created from the word of God.  What is contained within the Word of God that is able to create the matter needed to create our universe?

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence

You have referred to my second question , but what about the first. 

I don't understand how you draw the conclusion that God is speaking to us for nowhere you have given the incident purporting that he so spoke.

On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:

Do you regard other people as God, RP?

On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 8:19:23 AM UTC-5, RP Singh wrote:

Is it possible that you regard your late mentor as God and it was his voice you were talking about?

On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:

It is an interesting notion to ponder, how does God speak to us? My friend and mentor recently spoke about it to all of his visitors before passing away last summer. I told him that if the measure of whether or not a person can hear God speaking is all of the good they have done in the world, then he had done some life long listening. He taught us all how to collaborate and build consensus, create systems and institutions that work for people, organize communities and make them good places to raise our families. Quite a lifetime achievement.

On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 10:27:21 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:

Does the timetable show when the next train is coming Facil?

On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 2:27:14 AM UTC, facilitator wrote:

First you say God is a spirit then you want me to give you times when God came down. Which?

On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 6:57:45 PM UTC-5, RP Singh wrote:

Jesus, Mohammad were prophets, so tell us when God came down.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:56 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

God comes "down" all the time.  In fact, that would have to be an attribute of an omnipotent. We are the ones limited by time and space.  Giving God an image of our viewpoint is called an "Idol".

On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 12:25:29 PM UTC-5, RP Singh wrote:

I don't think God has ever come down to talk to man, so as a necessity we have to give him an image according to our viewpoint.

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