Artists & Celebries & Entertainment: July 2014

Wednesday, July 30, 2014

Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

In Swizerland, referendums are preceded by public discussions in the media by interest groups presenting their pro and con view points. As well each voting ballot comes with a booklet outlining the pro and con views of what is toi be voted. The Republic and Canton of the Jura is one of the cantons of Switzerland created in 1979 after a referendum of the French part of the canton of Bern separating from the Bern canton.

On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:17:12 AM UTC+2, Molly wrote:

Would everyone voting have accurate information on the issues? this would certainly take a great deal of organization. If the group is ethnocentric or egocentric, chances are the majority rules method would not be a good idea. In a worldcentric society where members are able to put the good of the group before their own if necessary, it may work, but this is a highly evolved group. Here in the US, political campaigns count heavily on herd mentality and voters who are not worldly being swayed by negative and inaccurate information. Hence, the Koch brother's ability to buy election and a congress filled with politicians for hire. I agree, the ideal is much greater than the practical application.

On Monday, July 28, 2014 9:39:09 AM UTC-4, facilitator wrote:
Majority vote is not often a good idea. Majority does not always equal justice. Should the highest number population wise of a religion force others to become that religion?

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014

Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

Ha, the light side of failed shadow integration.

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Monday, July 28, 2014

Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

The problem, as I see it, is not what type of government but the people who run it. Power is the drug for which there are few if any who can take it without being addicted to it…no matter what the quantity. We see this from the school yard to the police and further up every ladder. There is more money spent here on political meandering than any single drug. Historically, the only thing that binds people together in harmony is a common enemy. And yes, people can be forced into believing something. It's called advertisement. I can walk into a room of people who have absolutely no idea who I am, walk up to a microphone and tell everyone to please take a seat and they will do just that. Try it.

On Monday, July 28, 2014 10:20:08 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

Thanks for replying. No one knows at present what Jesus said verbatim. But we do know his message of salvation which 2000 years later has proven to be true. He said that if we do not respect nature and do not love our fellow men, even if they are our enemies, just like they were our family, and if we continue with the eye for eyes mentality and our continuous fighting one another, then we are all doomed. How true that is proving to be.

But lets keep on this topic of what we can do about people who fight to the death for their right to be independent. No one can force you to think and believe something that you do not what to think and believe. Especially when it comes to believing in god. But a country can and does force you to pay taxes,to fight wars, and to talk in a particular language. Is there a better form of deciding something that influences an entire group of people than to vote on it and agree to follow the majority votes?

On Monday, July 28, 2014 3:39:09 PM UTC+2, facilitator wrote:
Majority vote is not often a good idea. Majority does not always equal justice. Should the highest number population wise of a religion force others to become that religion?

In terms of your reference to Jesus:
"Jesus also said that if you love your enemies, then you will not have any enemies to hate and fear" This is incorrect.

Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

No one has the slightest idea what "Jesus" said or whether any historic individual is represented by stories of him. The ideas are something else and I'd prefer to start with 'The Age of Reason' by Tom Paine. I'm in strong agreement with Molly here, though wish things were different. I lived in Beirut before westerners became walking kidnap opportunities and would probably still be there had the troubles not come. It's time we fessed up on what causes our inability to live in sane communities of peace. Majority voting has led to such dim-wit conclusions as the Third Reich and Muslim Brotherhood, despite hundreds of years since Spinoza set out the secular state as the only system that could support freedom of religion. He was quite clear that the constitution in which voting operates needs a lot of consideration.

The population of Palestine before 1900 was 86% Muslim, 10% Christian and 4% Jewish. No voting happened to allow the Zionist creation of Israel. The latest Muslim zealots with guns have expelled Christians from Mosul. There were many attempts by the Athenian Democracy to get over problems we can find in our modern attempts. We need to find a constitutional way of living in honest fellowship. It would be interesting to see what we think a modern constitution would be, and whether we would allow a bunch of people who vote for Hamas (now sponsored by Qatar more than Iran) to live within missile range of us in such a constitution.

On Monday, 28 July 2014 23:17:12 UTC+1, Molly wrote:

Would everyone voting have accurate information on the issues? this would certainly take a great deal of organization. If the group is ethnocentric or egocentric, chances are the majority rules method would not be a good idea. In a worldcentric society where members are able to put the good of the group before their own if necessary, it may work, but this is a highly evolved group. Here in the US, political campaigns count heavily on herd mentality and voters who are not worldly being swayed by negative and inaccurate information. Hence, the Koch brother's ability to buy election and a congress filled with politicians for hire. I agree, the ideal is much greater than the practical application.

On Monday, July 28, 2014 9:39:09 AM UTC-4, facilitator wrote:
Majority vote is not often a good idea. Majority does not always equal justice. Should the highest number population wise of a religion force others to become that religion?

In terms of your reference to Jesus:
"Jesus also said that if you love your enemies, then you will not have any enemies to hate and fear" This is incorrect.

Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

Would everyone voting have accurate information on the issues? this would certainly take a great deal of organization. If the group is ethnocentric or egocentric, chances are the majority rules method would not be a good idea. In a worldcentric society where members are able to put the good of the group before their own if necessary, it may work, but this is a highly evolved group. Here in the US, political campaigns count heavily on herd mentality and voters who are not worldly being swayed by negative and inaccurate information. Hence, the Koch brother's ability to buy election and a congress filled with politicians for hire. I agree, the ideal is much greater than the practical application.

On Monday, July 28, 2014 9:39:09 AM UTC-4, facilitator wrote:

Majority vote is not often a good idea. Majority does not always equal justice. Should the highest number population wise of a religion force others to become that religion?

In terms of your reference to Jesus:
"Jesus also said that if you love your enemies, then you will not have any enemies to hate and fear" This is incorrect.

Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

Thanks for replying. No one knows at present what Jesus said verbatim. But we do know his message of salvation which 2000 years later has proven to be true. He said that if we do not respect nature and do not love our fellow men, even if they are our enemies, just like they were our family, and if we continue with the eye for eyes mentality and our continuous fighting one another, then we are all doomed. How true that is proving to be.

But lets keep on this topic of what we can do about people who fight to the death for their right to be independent. No one can force you to think and believe something that you do not what to think and believe. Especially when it comes to believing in god. But a country can and does force you to pay taxes,to fight wars, and to talk in a particular language. Is there a better form of deciding something that influences an entire group of people than to vote on it and agree to follow the majority votes?

On Monday, July 28, 2014 3:39:09 PM UTC+2, facilitator wrote:

Majority vote is not often a good idea. Majority does not always equal justice. Should the highest number population wise of a religion force others to become that religion?

In terms of your reference to Jesus:
"Jesus also said that if you love your enemies, then you will not have any enemies to hate and fear" This is incorrect.

Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

Majority vote is not often a good idea. Majority does not always equal justice. Should the highest number population wise of a religion force others to become that religion?

In terms of your reference to Jesus:
"Jesus also said that if you love your enemies, then you will not have any enemies to hate and fear" This is incorrect.

Mind's Eye Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

Dear members, I would like to open up a discussion concerning the right of a people to separate and be independent from whoever and whatever they are tied to, whether it be a partner, a family or a state.
I have 3 examples:- The people of Ukraine, The Palestinians in Gaza, and a friend. All 3 show a determination to separate and be independent, and are ready to fight for their independence and separation.
My simple solution to this complex problem is to have a referendum and to respect the majority vote. If people do not vote, it should be considered that they do not know or care.
It is far better for partners who do not get along together to separate rather than to fight. It is better as well for their neighbors.
Jesus said that if someone slaps you on your cheek, rather than to slap him back, you should offer him your other cheek to slap. Jesus also said that if you love your enemies, then you will not have any enemies to hate and fear. As long as we follow the eye for eyes and and tooth for teeth system of justice, we will continue to fight to the bitter end. As long as we think that we are better than others, then we will never be able to live together in harmony and peace. It is high time we change or ways and show respect to others.
Are there any examples in any countries in the world where the people want a part to separate but that part refuses and fights for their right to stay?

Saturday, July 26, 2014

Re: Mind's Eye organic life

Have been pondering what you were saying, as you you become aware of God your own importance diminishes .

Allan
Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 17:47
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

Understanding Reason in the universe is a never ending process because I personally feel that man will keep on achieving new horizons till the very disintegration of this universe.

On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:

"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed. It was the experience of mystery — even if mixed with fear — that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our minds: it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute true religiosity. In this sense, and only this sense, I am a deeply religious man… I am satisfied with the mystery of life's eternity and with a knowledge, a sense, of the marvelous structure of existence — as well as the humble attempt to understand even a tiny portion of the Reason that manifests itself in nature." – Albert Einstein, The World As I See It, 1931

On Saturday, July 26, 2014 2:53:10 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Good then have no luck at all as you wish

Living Soul

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From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

With due respect, to say that there is some sort of order to the universe but then fill in the anomalies with something called "Luck" is incongruous.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 1:20:20 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
The bad who escape punishment are lucky and the good who are not rewarded are unlucky , it is God who has given you luck and it has not been earned by you.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:30 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I reject that hypothesis since sometimes the good is punished and the bad is rewarded.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:35:35 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

The good and bad is learned in this world and rewarded or punished here only, in the next you lose your separate identity and become one with the Spirit.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:02 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I have trouble with this concept since it offers that the good and the evil flow together with no differentiation between the two.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 7:39:41 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Spirit is the ocean and the individuals are the bubbles that arise and vanish back into the ocean. Their identity is for the time being only and the reality that is the ocean is forever.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:

You and I are one in spirit, RP, and yet we are individual.

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:50:21 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Of course, if you believe that infinite no. of souls will live with God in eternity that is your view and it is just a viewpoint with nothing concrete to substantiate it.
I arrive at my conclusions because to me that is the logical conclusion after much thought and observation.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Becoming one with God is losing your individuality. You cannot eat your cake and have it to.

How do you arrive at this conclusion RP?

Allan
A Living Soul

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Re: Mind's Eye organic life

;o)

Allan
Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 17:47
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

Understanding Reason in the universe is a never ending process because I personally feel that man will keep on achieving new horizons till the very disintegration of this universe.

On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:

"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed. It was the experience of mystery — even if mixed with fear — that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our minds: it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute true religiosity. In this sense, and only this sense, I am a deeply religious man… I am satisfied with the mystery of life's eternity and with a knowledge, a sense, of the marvelous structure of existence — as well as the humble attempt to understand even a tiny portion of the Reason that manifests itself in nature." – Albert Einstein, The World As I See It, 1931

On Saturday, July 26, 2014 2:53:10 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Good then have no luck at all as you wish

Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

With due respect, to say that there is some sort of order to the universe but then fill in the anomalies with something called "Luck" is incongruous.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 1:20:20 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
The bad who escape punishment are lucky and the good who are not rewarded are unlucky , it is God who has given you luck and it has not been earned by you.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:30 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I reject that hypothesis since sometimes the good is punished and the bad is rewarded.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:35:35 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

The good and bad is learned in this world and rewarded or punished here only, in the next you lose your separate identity and become one with the Spirit.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:02 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I have trouble with this concept since it offers that the good and the evil flow together with no differentiation between the two.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 7:39:41 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Spirit is the ocean and the individuals are the bubbles that arise and vanish back into the ocean. Their identity is for the time being only and the reality that is the ocean is forever.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:

You and I are one in spirit, RP, and yet we are individual.

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:50:21 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Of course, if you believe that infinite no. of souls will live with God in eternity that is your view and it is just a viewpoint with nothing concrete to substantiate it.
I arrive at my conclusions because to me that is the logical conclusion after much thought and observation.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Becoming one with God is losing your individuality. You cannot eat your cake and have it to.

How do you arrive at this conclusion RP?

Allan
A Living Soul

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Re: Mind's Eye organic life

Understanding Reason in the universe is a never ending process because I personally feel that man will keep on achieving new horizons till the very disintegration of this universe.

On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:

"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed. It was the experience of mystery — even if mixed with fear — that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our minds: it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute true religiosity. In this sense, and only this sense, I am a deeply religious man… I am satisfied with the mystery of life's eternity and with a knowledge, a sense, of the marvelous structure of existence — as well as the humble attempt to understand even a tiny portion of the Reason that manifests itself in nature." – Albert Einstein, The World As I See It, 1931

On Saturday, July 26, 2014 2:53:10 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Good then have no luck at all as you wish

Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

With due respect, to say that there is some sort of order to the universe but then fill in the anomalies with something called "Luck" is incongruous.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 1:20:20 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
The bad who escape punishment are lucky and the good who are not rewarded are unlucky , it is God who has given you luck and it has not been earned by you.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:30 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I reject that hypothesis since sometimes the good is punished and the bad is rewarded.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:35:35 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

The good and bad is learned in this world and rewarded or punished here only, in the next you lose your separate identity and become one with the Spirit.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:02 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I have trouble with this concept since it offers that the good and the evil flow together with no differentiation between the two.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 7:39:41 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Spirit is the ocean and the individuals are the bubbles that arise and vanish back into the ocean. Their identity is for the time being only and the reality that is the ocean is forever.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:

You and I are one in spirit, RP, and yet we are individual.

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:50:21 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Of course, if you believe that infinite no. of souls will live with God in eternity that is your view and it is just a viewpoint with nothing concrete to substantiate it.
I arrive at my conclusions because to me that is the logical conclusion after much thought and observation.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Becoming one with God is losing your individuality. You cannot eat your cake and have it to.

How do you arrive at this conclusion RP?

Allan
A Living Soul

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Re: Mind's Eye organic life

"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed. It was the experience of mystery — even if mixed with fear — that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our minds: it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute true religiosity. In this sense, and only this sense, I am a deeply religious man… I am satisfied with the mystery of life's eternity and with a knowledge, a sense, of the marvelous structure of existence — as well as the humble attempt to understand even a tiny portion of the Reason that manifests itself in nature." – Albert Einstein, The World As I See It, 1931

On Saturday, July 26, 2014 2:53:10 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Good then have no luck at all as you wish

Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

With due respect, to say that there is some sort of order to the universe but then fill in the anomalies with something called "Luck" is incongruous.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 1:20:20 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
The bad who escape punishment are lucky and the good who are not rewarded are unlucky , it is God who has given you luck and it has not been earned by you.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:30 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I reject that hypothesis since sometimes the good is punished and the bad is rewarded.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:35:35 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

The good and bad is learned in this world and rewarded or punished here only, in the next you lose your separate identity and become one with the Spirit.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:02 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I have trouble with this concept since it offers that the good and the evil flow together with no differentiation between the two.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 7:39:41 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Spirit is the ocean and the individuals are the bubbles that arise and vanish back into the ocean. Their identity is for the time being only and the reality that is the ocean is forever.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:

You and I are one in spirit, RP, and yet we are individual.

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:50:21 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Of course, if you believe that infinite no. of souls will live with God in eternity that is your view and it is just a viewpoint with nothing concrete to substantiate it.
I arrive at my conclusions because to me that is the logical conclusion after much thought and observation.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Becoming one with God is losing your individuality. You cannot eat your cake and have it to.

How do you arrive at this conclusion RP?

Allan
A Living Soul

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Mind's Eye Crash

I had to reset my phone to factory settings because of programing problems.

Please run a scan of your system
Allan

Allan
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Friday, July 25, 2014

Re: Mind's Eye organic life

Good then have no luck at all as you wish

Living Soul

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From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

With due respect, to say that there is some sort of order to the universe but then fill in the anomalies with something called "Luck" is incongruous.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 1:20:20 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

The bad who escape punishment are lucky and the good who are not rewarded are unlucky , it is God who has given you luck and it has not been earned by you.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:30 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I reject that hypothesis since sometimes the good is punished and the bad is rewarded.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:35:35 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

The good and bad is learned in this world and rewarded or punished here only, in the next you lose your separate identity and become one with the Spirit.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:02 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I have trouble with this concept since it offers that the good and the evil flow together with no differentiation between the two.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 7:39:41 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Spirit is the ocean and the individuals are the bubbles that arise and vanish back into the ocean. Their identity is for the time being only and the reality that is the ocean is forever.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:

You and I are one in spirit, RP, and yet we are individual.

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:50:21 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Of course, if you believe that infinite no. of souls will live with God in eternity that is your view and it is just a viewpoint with nothing concrete to substantiate it.
I arrive at my conclusions because to me that is the logical conclusion after much thought and observation.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Becoming one with God is losing your individuality. You cannot eat your cake and have it to.

How do you arrive at this conclusion RP?

Allan
A Living Soul

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Re: Mind's Eye organic life

I think that being lucky or unlucky is a proof that we are being guided from spirits (dead souls). Usually they want to help us and they give us intuitions that we are free to follow or not. Sometimes experiencing bad luck turns out to be in the long term good luck. At other times, the reverse is true.

On Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:18:34 AM UTC+2, RP Singh wrote:

Some are born lucky and some unlucky , you can see it around you if you care to look; why God has made it so is known only to Him.

Re: Mind's Eye organic life

I agree. For all our actions, good or bad, we get a consequence that we experience and learn from. Our rewards and punishments for our actions can be short term or long term.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 6:35:35 PM UTC+2, RP Singh wrote:

The good and bad is learned in this world and rewarded or punished here only, in the next you lose your separate identity and become one with the Spirit.

Re: Mind's Eye organic life

Some are born lucky and some unlucky , you can see it around you if you care to look; why God has made it so is known only to Him.

On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 2:53 AM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com> wrote:

With due respect, to say that there is some sort of order to the universe but then fill in the anomalies with something called "Luck" is incongruous.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 1:20:20 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
The bad who escape punishment are lucky and the good who are not rewarded are unlucky , it is God who has given you luck and it has not been earned by you.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:30 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I reject that hypothesis since sometimes the good is punished and the bad is rewarded.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:35:35 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

The good and bad is learned in this world and rewarded or punished here only, in the next you lose your separate identity and become one with the Spirit.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:02 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I have trouble with this concept since it offers that the good and the evil flow together with no differentiation between the two.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 7:39:41 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Spirit is the ocean and the individuals are the bubbles that arise and vanish back into the ocean. Their identity is for the time being only and the reality that is the ocean is forever.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:

You and I are one in spirit, RP, and yet we are individual.

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:50:21 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Of course, if you believe that infinite no. of souls will live with God in eternity that is your view and it is just a viewpoint with nothing concrete to substantiate it.
I arrive at my conclusions because to me that is the logical conclusion after much thought and observation.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Becoming one with God is losing your individuality. You cannot eat your cake and have it to.

How do you arrive at this conclusion RP?

Allan
A Living Soul

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Re: Mind's Eye organic life

The bad who escape punishment are lucky and the good who are not rewarded are unlucky , it is God who has given you luck and it has not been earned by you.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:30 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I reject that hypothesis since sometimes the good is punished and the bad is rewarded.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:35:35 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

The good and bad is learned in this world and rewarded or punished here only, in the next you lose your separate identity and become one with the Spirit.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:02 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I have trouble with this concept since it offers that the good and the evil flow together with no differentiation between the two.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 7:39:41 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Spirit is the ocean and the individuals are the bubbles that arise and vanish back into the ocean. Their identity is for the time being only and the reality that is the ocean is forever.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:

You and I are one in spirit, RP, and yet we are individual.

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:50:21 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Of course, if you believe that infinite no. of souls will live with God in eternity that is your view and it is just a viewpoint with nothing concrete to substantiate it.
I arrive at my conclusions because to me that is the logical conclusion after much thought and observation.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Becoming one with God is losing your individuality. You cannot eat your cake and have it to.

How do you arrive at this conclusion RP?

Allan
A Living Soul

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Re: Mind's Eye organic life

Life used to be complex then I learned to follow the acronym K.I.S.S. :-)

Allan
A Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

I can agree that our moral code, system of beliefs, and our self concept shape our experience. I think that mechanism is more complex than a simple good are rewarded and bad are punished. The mechanism is complex because we as individuals are complex, and, as a collective are even more complex.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 3:37:23 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Luck of the Irish :-) they have the knack of belief.

Why should God punish anyone? All souls know the guideline if Do No Harm. How each soul interprets that simple guideline in its personal dharma will determine ts place in the mandela.

Allan
A Living Soul

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From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

I gave up on the notion of a punitive God a long time ago.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 1:00:36 PM UTC-4, facilitator wrote:
I reject that hypothesis since sometimes the good is punished and the bad is rewarded.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:35:35 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
The good and bad is learned in this world and rewarded or punished here only, in the next you lose your separate identity and become one with the Spirit.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:02 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I have trouble with this concept since it offers that the good and the evil flow together with no differentiation between the two.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 7:39:41 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Spirit is the ocean and the individuals are the bubbles that arise and vanish back into the ocean. Their identity is for the time being only and the reality that is the ocean is forever.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:

You and I are one in spirit, RP, and yet we are individual.

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:50:21 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Of course, if you believe that infinite no. of souls will live with God in eternity that is your view and it is just a viewpoint with nothing concrete to substantiate it.
I arrive at my conclusions because to me that is the logical conclusion after much thought and observation.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Becoming one with God is losing your individuality. You cannot eat your cake and have it to.

How do you arrive at this conclusion RP?

Allan
A Living Soul

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Re: Mind's Eye organic life

Luck of the Irish :-) they have the knack of belief.

Why should God punish anyone? All souls know the guideline if Do No Harm. How each soul interprets that simple guideline in its personal dharma will determine ts place in the mandela.

Allan
A Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

I gave up on the notion of a punitive God a long time ago.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 1:00:36 PM UTC-4, facilitator wrote:
I reject that hypothesis since sometimes the good is punished and the bad is rewarded.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:35:35 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
The good and bad is learned in this world and rewarded or punished here only, in the next you lose your separate identity and become one with the Spirit.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:02 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I have trouble with this concept since it offers that the good and the evil flow together with no differentiation between the two.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 7:39:41 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Spirit is the ocean and the individuals are the bubbles that arise and vanish back into the ocean. Their identity is for the time being only and the reality that is the ocean is forever.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:

You and I are one in spirit, RP, and yet we are individual.

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:50:21 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Of course, if you believe that infinite no. of souls will live with God in eternity that is your view and it is just a viewpoint with nothing concrete to substantiate it.
I arrive at my conclusions because to me that is the logical conclusion after much thought and observation.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Becoming one with God is losing your individuality. You cannot eat your cake and have it to.

How do you arrive at this conclusion RP?

Allan
A Living Soul

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Re: Mind's Eye organic life

Luck of the Irish :-) they have the knack of belief.

Why should God punish anyone? All souls know the guideline if Do No Harm. How each soul interprets that simple guideline in its personal dharma will determine ts place in the mandela.

Allan
A Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

I gave up on the notion of a punitive God a long time ago.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 1:00:36 PM UTC-4, facilitator wrote:

I reject that hypothesis since sometimes the good is punished and the bad is rewarded.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:35:35 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
The good and bad is learned in this world and rewarded or punished here only, in the next you lose your separate identity and become one with the Spirit.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:02 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I have trouble with this concept since it offers that the good and the evil flow together with no differentiation between the two.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 7:39:41 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Spirit is the ocean and the individuals are the bubbles that arise and vanish back into the ocean. Their identity is for the time being only and the reality that is the ocean is forever.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:

You and I are one in spirit, RP, and yet we are individual.

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:50:21 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Of course, if you believe that infinite no. of souls will live with God in eternity that is your view and it is just a viewpoint with nothing concrete to substantiate it.
I arrive at my conclusions because to me that is the logical conclusion after much thought and observation.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Becoming one with God is losing your individuality. You cannot eat your cake and have it to.

How do you arrive at this conclusion RP?

Allan
A Living Soul

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