Re: Mind's Eye Modern Utopia

Re Germany- they were also a threat to UK manufacturing and north
Atlantic sea lanes. Now it is US and China.//Roosevelt hushed up
Soviet massacre of Polish officers because he needed Stalin in the war
effort it was revealed yesterday.

On Sep 12, 8:24 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have never seen a cloud cuckoo land Gabby, though most people walk
> around professing rational astrologies.  Scrub jays hold funerals -http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120911162031.htm
>
> There was a tribe in Peru who invented sophisticated water-management
> and spread their empire by keeping this competitive advantage to
> themselves and inventing a control fraud religion around it (they died
> horribly when drought or some scientifically minded chaps/esses
> rumbled them).
>
> The Hillsborough Report is out in Britain today - 23 years late.  The
> conclusion is that the 96 deaths at a soccer match was covered-up by
> all the relevant authorities - much as Bloody Sunday in Northern
> Ireland.  I've just read 'Conjuring Hitler' - a book that makes him
> out as substantially created by US/UK interests, along with Germany
> being drawn into WW1 and 2 as part of a ghastly attempt to bolster
> Britain's Eurasian foreign policy and Anglo-Saxon banking interests.
> Sadly, the promised proof is missing, though I agree with the author
> in general principle.  One might note the use of a barking religious
> cult like the Nazis has parallels with the Taliban.
>
> Cloud cuckoo at Hillsborough was that people in authority acted
> responsibly and everything was the fault of the people who died.  Now
> we know this was all cover-up and very vicious, with no respect for
> those grieving for victims.  I believe this is standard bureaucratic
> practice and wonder if this is connected to the repeated, miserable
> and inaccurate history propounded by the BBC (add to international
> taste).
>
> All my pies are in the sky these days - an excellent way to lose 15%
> of body weight (I'm back to my last rugby-playing weight, though my
> last days were as a fat university amateur).
>
> Some of the economics can be found in a new, free academic journal -http://wer.worldeconomicsassociation.org/- the contributors sound a
> bit like Allan.  The stuff is heavy-weight but readable.  An article
> by Michael Hudson makes Vam's point that issues for the people in
> respect of the financial system remain as they were in the 13th
> century.  John F Tomer writes a piece on the 'brain' reminiscent of
> Molly's 'being focus'.  Milford Bateman and Ha-Joon Chang (writing on
> microfinance) make Gabby's oft repeated 'of mice and men' (to me an
> essential part of planning).  Maybe we should put up a submission?
>
> My guess is we can't really do economics because "we" are scared to
> let money go as a "motivator" and fear all social order will collapse
> without the need to scramble for a living.
>
> On 12 Sep, 09:57, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I watched a documentary on Nestlé's worldwide drinking water business
> > last night. It's good to be reminded of how it looks like when
> > nature's impurities are being perfected. Your pie in the sky seems
> > more accessible than cloud cuckoo land ever was.
>
> > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:10 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Utopia means something like 'the ideal that is nowhere' - the word is
> > > sprung with irony.  Many decent ideas are derided as Utopian, much as
> > > whistle-blowers soon become incompetent malcontents.  I don't believe
> > > there is a modern world - we are still largely dark age.  Most people
> > > can't offer much explanation why science is more rational than
> > > godswank or a sales pitch.  Even I see little difference between the
> > > physics pornography of the big bang and the origins of our main
> > > religions.  Doing science was always liberation from dogma for me,
> > > with the end of getting to what works.
>
> > > A modern world would be scientific, but there's a catch.  Most people
> > > can't do it (at least as we teach and practice it) and the Frakenstein
> > > fear probably dominates in the majority.  Say Einstein and most will
> > > trot out E = MC2 - his work isn't about this.  Most people don't know
> > > about the pollen grains, let alone the tensor equations and his
> > > reconciliation of the great work of Maxwell and apparently
> > > contradictory experimental evidence.
>
> > > A modern society would organise around scientific estimates of what
> > > work we need to do.  My own guess is this would be about 6 hours/2
> > > days a week/9 months a year/40 year span.  One has to wonder why we
> > > don't have a proper estimate of this that takes modern technology into
> > > account.  My guess is based on agriculture being 7% of world GDP and
> > > 75% being 'services'.  I suspect essential work is about 30% of what
> > > we call work.
>
> > > This leads me, with other matters, to think we have not established a
> > > welfare state at all.  A real one would be about us all contributing
> > > equally towards creating decent living conditions for all and doing
> > > this essential work as a duty to each other and the planet.  The rest
> > > of my Utopia follows from this and the rest of the economy would be
> > > based on producing/doing what interests us.
>
> > > Pie in the sky?
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