I enjoy this group as it allows ideas to grow and expand without condemnation, I remember starting a topic on spiritual zombies, not a great topic but it did allow an evolution in my own beliefs reveling what is to me a very scary concept which I am just getting to grips with. That is being a true spiritual being, and in taking human one takes on the decision to grow and increase our place on the great mandala, for lack of a better word.
When you cause harm to your fellow humans you in reality are moving your spiritual being in effect are moving your spiritual being toward the outer edges of the great mandala or lowering your place and status in the spiritual realm separating your self from the rest of the very utopia realm. This is very much the karma that you the hindi talking about
I think that if the world leaders realized the effect on their spiritual status they would see the scientific principal of cause and effect come into play you would hear this common statement "Oh Shit!"
Allan
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:24 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
I have never seen a cloud cuckoo land Gabby, though most people walk
around professing rational astrologies. Scrub jays hold funerals -
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120911162031.htm
There was a tribe in Peru who invented sophisticated water-management
and spread their empire by keeping this competitive advantage to
themselves and inventing a control fraud religion around it (they died
horribly when drought or some scientifically minded chaps/esses
rumbled them).
The Hillsborough Report is out in Britain today - 23 years late. The
conclusion is that the 96 deaths at a soccer match was covered-up by
all the relevant authorities - much as Bloody Sunday in Northern
Ireland. I've just read 'Conjuring Hitler' - a book that makes him
out as substantially created by US/UK interests, along with Germany
being drawn into WW1 and 2 as part of a ghastly attempt to bolster
Britain's Eurasian foreign policy and Anglo-Saxon banking interests.
Sadly, the promised proof is missing, though I agree with the author
in general principle. One might note the use of a barking religious
cult like the Nazis has parallels with the Taliban.
Cloud cuckoo at Hillsborough was that people in authority acted
responsibly and everything was the fault of the people who died. Now
we know this was all cover-up and very vicious, with no respect for
those grieving for victims. I believe this is standard bureaucratic
practice and wonder if this is connected to the repeated, miserable
and inaccurate history propounded by the BBC (add to international
taste).
All my pies are in the sky these days - an excellent way to lose 15%
of body weight (I'm back to my last rugby-playing weight, though my
last days were as a fat university amateur).
Some of the economics can be found in a new, free academic journal -
http://wer.worldeconomicsassociation.org/ - the contributors sound a
bit like Allan. The stuff is heavy-weight but readable. An article
by Michael Hudson makes Vam's point that issues for the people in
respect of the financial system remain as they were in the 13th
century. John F Tomer writes a piece on the 'brain' reminiscent of
Molly's 'being focus'. Milford Bateman and Ha-Joon Chang (writing on
microfinance) make Gabby's oft repeated 'of mice and men' (to me an
essential part of planning). Maybe we should put up a submission?
My guess is we can't really do economics because "we" are scared to
let money go as a "motivator" and fear all social order will collapse
without the need to scramble for a living.
On 12 Sep, 09:57, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I watched a documentary on Nestlé's worldwide drinking water business
> last night. It's good to be reminded of how it looks like when
> nature's impurities are being perfected. Your pie in the sky seems
> more accessible than cloud cuckoo land ever was.
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> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:10 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Utopia means something like 'the ideal that is nowhere' - the word is
> > sprung with irony. Many decent ideas are derided as Utopian, much as
> > whistle-blowers soon become incompetent malcontents. I don't believe
> > there is a modern world - we are still largely dark age. Most people
> > can't offer much explanation why science is more rational than
> > godswank or a sales pitch. Even I see little difference between the
> > physics pornography of the big bang and the origins of our main
> > religions. Doing science was always liberation from dogma for me,
> > with the end of getting to what works.
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> > A modern world would be scientific, but there's a catch. Most people
> > can't do it (at least as we teach and practice it) and the Frakenstein
> > fear probably dominates in the majority. Say Einstein and most will
> > trot out E = MC2 - his work isn't about this. Most people don't know
> > about the pollen grains, let alone the tensor equations and his
> > reconciliation of the great work of Maxwell and apparently
> > contradictory experimental evidence.
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> > A modern society would organise around scientific estimates of what
> > work we need to do. My own guess is this would be about 6 hours/2
> > days a week/9 months a year/40 year span. One has to wonder why we
> > don't have a proper estimate of this that takes modern technology into
> > account. My guess is based on agriculture being 7% of world GDP and
> > 75% being 'services'. I suspect essential work is about 30% of what
> > we call work.
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> > This leads me, with other matters, to think we have not established a
> > welfare state at all. A real one would be about us all contributing
> > equally towards creating decent living conditions for all and doing
> > this essential work as a duty to each other and the planet. The rest
> > of my Utopia follows from this and the rest of the economy would be
> > based on producing/doing what interests us.
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> > Pie in the sky?
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|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
I am a Natural Airgunner -
Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
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