blind , when light an dark come together you have sight ------ how can
u judge to be light or dark --- all things require bolth in order to
exist -- bolth equals neither --- judgment through the lack of
judging . --('' to concider the origin as pure and that which emerges
as corse '', chaung tzu )
the taoist shaman wrote:
> PSK i think you have it all wrong , ...... have you ever said
> something innocent that sounded as if you were trying to be an ass
> hole , and you realize the double meaning as you say it , and the
> other person thinks your an ass hole, but your not , and your left
> going ... oooo damn this is ocward
>
> how can we judge and make an opinion of who others are ?
>
> "know thy self" _ the apithia ,apitha ....?.... orical of delfi -
> apolla - '' lo mon lo bay ''
>
> when you cease to judge you can know - see
>
>
>
> pol.science kid wrote:
> > yeah...we dont see others for who they are..we see them for who we
> > think they are...but...though ...i am not sure i believe it
> > completely..but it convinces vaguely nevertheless...unconsciously do
> > believe it...no it confuses me again...when you love ...deeply...do
> > you finally see the other person and love them like yourself...know
> > them in the same breath...or is it again because we see ourselves in
> > them..i dont know...because i have not really experienced it....to
> > see.someone...like the naavi people say in the avatar movie
> >
> > On May 3, 1:30 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > With collective consciousness you mean this group-think programme à la
> > > Molly's [mission] What do YOU think? Na, you're right, PSK is definitely
> > > different from that.
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:04 AM, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > PSK selfishness arouses discontent because it is contrary to
> > > > collective consciousness , try reading the meditations of marcus
> > > > auralius chapter 2 verse 1 from the harvard classics .
> > >
> > > > gabbydott wrote:
> > > > > From a top-down perspective this is correct. But I understood that PSK
> > > > asked
> > > > > for individual responses from each of us.
> > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:09 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > But you have to admit there are humans who haven't the chance to even
> > > > > > consider this type of thinking as their lives are miserable due to
> > > > > > poverty, war, sickness and all other ills. Plus- what does a culture
> > > > > > celebrate? Wealth? Power? Etc.? You can hardly fault some for buying a
> > > > > > false self and image if that is what their culture teaches them, can
> > > > > > you? It takes a brave rebel to contradict society or challenge group
> > > > > > thought.
> > >
> > > > > > On May 2, 12:20 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > If the selfish would truly search their self, they'd quickly die out.
> > > > > > > Problem is how they don't see themselves but see themselves in the
> > > > others
> > > > > > > with the poor others not knowing that they are not taken for
> > > > themselves
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > for someone else. My explanation.
> > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 6:57 PM, pol.science kid <
> > > > r.freeb...@gmail.com
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > at the first glance of your reply came a thought to my mind about
> > > > > > > > collective consciousness...rather a question...does the collective
> > > > > > > > consciousness exist independently...what does it mean exactly...to
> > > > put
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > crudely is it the realisation that you are not the only
> > > > phenomena..but
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > i feel is....it is very difficult to transcend ones own
> > > > person...but is
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > important....why do we really get irritated with self absorbed or
> > > > self
> > > > > > > > seeking people....why do we condemn selfishness..in any sense...are
> > > > we
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > insecure as to feel deprived because of that ...or is it something
> > > > > > more.. i
> > > > > > > > hope i make sense.. and i hope you get waht i am trying to ask...i
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > like all to answer...cos i really want to know....
> > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 7:36 PM, DarkwaterBlight <
> > > > > > douglas.bli...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > >> This take appeals to my understanding. Perpetually changing,
> > > > evolving
> > > > > > > >> and reforming. Input has an outcome and causes an expanded "mind
> > > > > > > >> space", if you will. Is logic all logical and what is to be said
> > > > about
> > > > > > > >> rationalizing the "irrational"? Should my thinking be correct by
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >> standards of others or to my own? What of "raising the bar" in
> > > > > > > >> consciousness and of a paradigm shift to a more correct thinking
> > > > of
> > > > > > > >> our "collective mind" ? Of all that goes into into thought and
> > > > mind is
> > > > > > > >> this not the desired effect?
> > >
> > > > > > > >> On Apr 30, 9:23 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > might thought be colored by the mind that engages it ....what is
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >> realm
> > > > > > > >> > of pure thought that you mention here .... is it logic and
> > > > > > > >> > rationalisation...do you mean the method of employing that
> > > > > > > >> thought...because
> > > > > > > >> > ....knowing...percieving something for the first time the mind
> > > > will
> > > > > > > >> > automatically fall back on the things it thinks it does know....
> > >
> > > > > > > >> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Chad Moore <nis...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > Knowledge unites, in being or in identity. Thinking
> > > > separates, in
> > > > > > > >> > > subject-object relationship.
> > > > > > > >> > > Knowing has no place in the ordinary thought process. Thinking
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > >> > > something
> > > > > > > >> > > which has to be known is wrong, since it moves in a vicious
> > > > > > circle.
> > > > > > > >> You
> > > > > > > >> > > cannot think
> > > > > > > >> > > of anything you have not known. Such thinking can never take
> > > > you
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > >> > > Truth.
> > > > > > > >> > > But when you direct your thought to something (say yourself)
> > > > which
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > > >> > > otherwise
> > > > > > > >> > > visualized, the thought loses its own characteristics and
> > > > limits,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >> > > stands
> > > > > > > >> > > revealed as that Self (Consciousness) itself. Thought is thus
> > > > > > reduced
> > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > >> > > its essence.
> > >
> > > > > > > >> > --
> > > > > > > >> > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > > > > --
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> > >
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