mean on perspective ... if so ... well all things are subject to being
recived by the brain before the brain can prossess them ... but there
are fundemental laws by witch all things ( seem ) to abide ....ive
said it befor and i'll say it again , hold on comeing at u through a
post to PSK
ornamentalmind wrote:
> To me, what Chuck said about 'dependence' is of utmost importance
> here. All subjective things are dependent.
>
> On May 3, 9:30 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > PSK if at some point someones conciousness dident tell them not to be
> > selfish then how is it possible that you were ever told not to be
> > selfish ?
> >
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> > pol.science kid wrote:
> > > selfishness is contrary to collective consciousness true..but isnt
> > > that the most real thing about us..i wonder..i wasnt told that
> > > selfishness is bad...would my conscience strike me...keep me in
> > > check...because...sometimes...my thoughts...they shock and repulse
> > > me... i loathe myself for having such thoughts..and then i
> > > wonder...if that is not me...but it is me...it is hard ...to know that
> > > oyu are what you might condemn in someone else...and so i ask
> > > often...
> >
> > > On May 3, 1:04 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > PSK selfishness arouses discontent because it is contrary to
> > > > collective consciousness , try reading the meditations of marcus
> > > > auralius chapter 2 verse 1 from the harvard classics .
> >
> > > > gabbydott wrote:
> > > > > From a top-down perspective this is correct. But I understood that PSK asked
> > > > > for individual responses from each of us.
> >
> > > > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:09 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > But you have to admit there are humans who haven't the chance to even
> > > > > > consider this type of thinking as their lives are miserable due to
> > > > > > poverty, war, sickness and all other ills. Plus- what does a culture
> > > > > > celebrate? Wealth? Power? Etc.? You can hardly fault some for buying a
> > > > > > false self and image if that is what their culture teaches them, can
> > > > > > you? It takes a brave rebel to contradict society or challenge group
> > > > > > thought.
> >
> > > > > > On May 2, 12:20 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > If the selfish would truly search their self, they'd quickly die out.
> > > > > > > Problem is how they don't see themselves but see themselves in the others
> > > > > > > with the poor others not knowing that they are not taken for themselves
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > for someone else. My explanation.
> >
> > > > > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 6:57 PM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com
> > > > > > >wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > at the first glance of your reply came a thought to my mind about
> > > > > > > > collective consciousness...rather a question...does the collective
> > > > > > > > consciousness exist independently...what does it mean exactly...to put
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > crudely is it the realisation that you are not the only phenomena..but
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > i feel is....it is very difficult to transcend ones own person...but is
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > important....why do we really get irritated with self absorbed or self
> > > > > > > > seeking people....why do we condemn selfishness..in any sense...are we
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > insecure as to feel deprived because of that ...or is it something
> > > > > > more.. i
> > > > > > > > hope i make sense.. and i hope you get waht i am trying to ask...i
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > like all to answer...cos i really want to know....
> >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 7:36 PM, DarkwaterBlight <
> > > > > > douglas.bli...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> This take appeals to my understanding. Perpetually changing, evolving
> > > > > > > >> and reforming. Input has an outcome and causes an expanded "mind
> > > > > > > >> space", if you will. Is logic all logical and what is to be said about
> > > > > > > >> rationalizing the "irrational"? Should my thinking be correct by the
> > > > > > > >> standards of others or to my own? What of "raising the bar" in
> > > > > > > >> consciousness and of a paradigm shift to a more correct thinking of
> > > > > > > >> our "collective mind" ? Of all that goes into into thought and mind is
> > > > > > > >> this not the desired effect?
> >
> > > > > > > >> On Apr 30, 9:23 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > might thought be colored by the mind that engages it ....what is the
> > > > > > > >> realm
> > > > > > > >> > of pure thought that you mention here .... is it logic and
> > > > > > > >> > rationalisation...do you mean the method of employing that
> > > > > > > >> thought...because
> > > > > > > >> > ....knowing...percieving something for the first time the mind will
> > > > > > > >> > automatically fall back on the things it thinks it does know....
> >
> > > > > > > >> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Chad Moore <nis...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > Knowledge unites, in being or in identity. Thinking separates, in
> > > > > > > >> > > subject-object relationship.
> > > > > > > >> > > Knowing has no place in the ordinary thought process. Thinking
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > >> > > something
> > > > > > > >> > > which has to be known is wrong, since it moves in a vicious
> > > > > > circle.
> > > > > > > >> You
> > > > > > > >> > > cannot think
> > > > > > > >> > > of anything you have not known. Such thinking can never take you
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > >> > > Truth.
> > > > > > > >> > > But when you direct your thought to something (say yourself) which
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > > >> > > otherwise
> > > > > > > >> > > visualized, the thought loses its own characteristics and limits,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >> > > stands
> > > > > > > >> > > revealed as that Self (Consciousness) itself. Thought is thus
> > > > > > reduced
> > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > >> > > its essence.
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