Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?

I don't know that we are doing better.  Not much vetting of issues of sexual abuse by the press, probably for the same reasons that the cops and courts shy away. It is everywhere, and if we wonder why the world is filled with psychos, try to imagine what happens to the psychology of the child abused. Not much chance of living disorder free...

Here in Detroit, the President of the City Council was charged in a civil suit for sexual abuse of a minor boy after efforts by the mother to have criminal charges brought failed.  The guy (city council president) just disappeared without a word, and left the council with that vacancy for several months in the midst of bankruptcy proceedings.  the guy was actually a TV reporter before becoming a politician.  Last seen waiting tables in New York City.  Everywhere.

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:20:35 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

"Gates" don't have ti be physical Allan.  Must stop playing straight man to Facil nob gags.  The principle of re-hanging sounds Promethean.  Leadership - in the block captain kind of way - is always problematic.  Makes me cringe - I used to get very bossy in suffering fools situations - though a few people benefited from me in kick-arse mode.

This report into child sexual exploitation in Greater Manchester is peculiar - it's an expose and whitewash at the same time - a kind of anti-matter version of Molly's 'embrace the paradox'.  'It doesn't matter we made mistakes, allowed rapes and denigration, because we're doing  better now' sort of stuff.  'Trust us, we're the people who failed you in the past'!

Size doesn't matter Tony, unless you're hanging wallpaper.

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:52:09 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

What owners association?
The idea behind a coop is there are no owners.  And no one can own part of it. (Church of Common Cooperation) guidelines set up. Either you follow the guidelines or move else where.
You pay your rent, do your community responsibilities, participate in community affairs and activities..  It can not be a place to pay your rent then hide away.

All an
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From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
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developing those common standards might be a sticky wicket.  I always cringe when asked to be on a committee to review by-laws, and have managed to dodge owners associations without exception. Oh the horror.

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:46:39 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

There is a lot of major problems world wide. I don't think realistically you can gate an entire town. But an apartment complex can be ..  I think the keys lay within a common moral standards agreement and non ownership.  Lack of ownership would allow for removal of those that do not follow the guidelines ... (Unfortunately i do not think a regular hanging of Me or Tony would solve any problems).

All an
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From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
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Hanging might be less cruel than suffering some of the cop, social worker and other town hall incompetence.   A lot of the kids lied to me Molly - quite common in abuse cases - over stuff I could check up on.  Some even tried to chat me up etc.  Given we have known forever that many abuse cases are not independently witnessed and victims are incredibly easy to discredit, I'm amazed we don't routinely bug to get independent evidence - I even hid in a wardrobe to get one perp.  Given people catch their nannies doing things wrong on CCTV, you'd think we could work a system out for abuse.

I've often thought we could go back to something more like village life by gating off in our existing towns.

Tony is probably the only one of us who gets hung regularly.

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:09:33 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

Good idea Tony, hope you are never the victim. (Hmmm)

You have a job i would not envy, times are hard and will be getting harder.. It seems to me there is an ever increasing desire for war from all sides. 

Been thinking about my dad and the men's coop.  Considering the down slide in morality, the coop idea might have possibilities especially when coupled  with a gated community.
My idea is the community would be owned by the coop .. ( say a block of apartments) To become a member of the gated or coop you have to live to a set of moral commitments. (Including spousal abuse , drug use (guidelines would need to be developed. (lol right after we hang Tony for something he might do or could have done..  (",)

All an
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do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others

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Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?

Iran has seem to have solved the problem by being able to hang the victim.

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 9:40:49 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

BBC's 'Panorama' produced a documentary last night on 'Baby P' - Peter Connelly killed at 17 months after much abuse 7 years ago.  The perpetrators were jailed, scum of little interest.  There was a serious case review, generally a hapless procedure of whitewash here.  It now seems this and other reports were a fix to pin blame on social services - in fact all agencies involved were useless, social services perhaps less so than the politicians and others.  Obviously, no reasonable society would want this kind of vicious cover-up at all or not to know what really went on for 7 years, given we should want to put things right (the 'learning lessons' rhetoric).

Britain is an intensely secretive society.  I don't even know why we got involved in the two world wars, let alone Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.  When I think of Gabby or Germans I have actually met, I have even less idea on the world wars.  I doubt ignorance is my problem in this - it's just clear the general stuff we are given is bunk.  When one researches social issues from war to child abuse, the reality shifts a long way from the history of Empire I was taught and the idea our politicians and bureaucracy operate in any competent way.

In another case, in Rotherham, more than 1400 victims of child sexual exploitation were further abused by all the services they encountered.  In this case, a young, female Home Office researcher had her work destroyed and was threatened by two police officers who said they were going to give her name and address to the abusers.  There are so many other cases I doubt I could finish writing their outline within a couple of days.  This is before one thinks about our banks and business practices, and revolting breaches of trust by priests, teachers and cops.

Who can we even tell when it is almost impossible to think of any speedy and fair investigations and resolutions - or even admissions of wrong-doing by our establishments?  This before you realise cops and other agencies quickly brief against victims and other complainants.

 

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