Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?

Tony's humour and art contain angel-devil issues - think of those optical illusion things.

If I say 'look at the white for the angels, the black for demons' am I a helpful angel or a patronising old devil?  And does that question itself skew us and cue us in the wrong direction? You'll have something better than this Escher Tony.  I've walked up those stairs of his that can't lead anywhere several times when drunk.  Easy!  Would the mitochondria now living in us and now powering our lives rather be free?

People do very different things in different material contexts.  I broke rules as a cop in what I hope was noble cause - though I never lied to fit anyone up.  What was the woman who claimed I whipped out my penis in class (she had the grace to faint) doing - fortunately there were two dozen other witnesses - and what was she doing coming into my office three days later insisting I continued teaching her?  Didn't have the heart to sue.  Kids from a children's home in Wales claimed they had been abused in the cellars of an old house - on inspection the house had no cellars.  

Some of us follow where the evidence leads, others resort to clown stereotyping.  Our politics is now full blown Emperor's New Clothes, our politicians as thick as thieves and mud.  Our literature is now self-replicating kitsch (UK Channel 4's Babylon is worth a watch, pilot a few months back, series coming in November - beautiful phrases like 'transparent PR' may be an odd man out - plus the brilliant 'Four Lions').

It's possible to think of Allan's dad's  cooperative in modern terms of positive money, block-chain technology to control the accounting and the removal of debt from much of the economy.  But we can also imagine cops turning up and actually doing their job!

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:23:21 PM UTC, archytas wrote:

The Coop means the 7/11 down the road here Allan, though it opens as 6 and shuts at 10.  I would like to give one a try in the living sense.  Did in Spain years back but couldn't afford to stay.

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:52:09 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

What owners association?
The idea behind a coop is there are no owners.  And no one can own part of it. (Church of Common Cooperation) guidelines set up. Either you follow the guidelines or move else where.
You pay your rent, do your community responsibilities, participate in community affairs and activities..  It can not be a place to pay your rent then hide away.

All an
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From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
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developing those common standards might be a sticky wicket.  I always cringe when asked to be on a committee to review by-laws, and have managed to dodge owners associations without exception. Oh the horror.

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:46:39 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

There is a lot of major problems world wide. I don't think realistically you can gate an entire town. But an apartment complex can be ..  I think the keys lay within a common moral standards agreement and non ownership.  Lack of ownership would allow for removal of those that do not follow the guidelines ... (Unfortunately i do not think a regular hanging of Me or Tony would solve any problems).

All an
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Hanging might be less cruel than suffering some of the cop, social worker and other town hall incompetence.   A lot of the kids lied to me Molly - quite common in abuse cases - over stuff I could check up on.  Some even tried to chat me up etc.  Given we have known forever that many abuse cases are not independently witnessed and victims are incredibly easy to discredit, I'm amazed we don't routinely bug to get independent evidence - I even hid in a wardrobe to get one perp.  Given people catch their nannies doing things wrong on CCTV, you'd think we could work a system out for abuse.

I've often thought we could go back to something more like village life by gating off in our existing towns.

Tony is probably the only one of us who gets hung regularly.

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:09:33 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

Good idea Tony, hope you are never the victim. (Hmmm)

You have a job i would not envy, times are hard and will be getting harder.. It seems to me there is an ever increasing desire for war from all sides. 

Been thinking about my dad and the men's coop.  Considering the down slide in morality, the coop idea might have possibilities especially when coupled  with a gated community.
My idea is the community would be owned by the coop .. ( say a block of apartments) To become a member of the gated or coop you have to live to a set of moral commitments. (Including spousal abuse , drug use (guidelines would need to be developed. (lol right after we hang Tony for something he might do or could have done..  (",)

All an
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do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others

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Iran has seem to have solved the problem by being able to hang the victim.

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 9:40:49 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

BBC's 'Panorama' produced a documentary last night on 'Baby P' - Peter Connelly killed at 17 months after much abuse 7 years ago.  The perpetrators were jailed, scum of little interest.  There was a serious case review, generally a hapless procedure of whitewash here.  It now seems this and other reports were a fix to pin blame on social services - in fact all agencies involved were useless, social services perhaps less so than the politicians and others.  Obviously, no reasonable society would want this kind of vicious cover-up at all or not to know what really went on for 7 years, given we should want to put things right (the 'learning lessons' rhetoric).

Britain is an intensely secretive society.  I don't even know why we got involved in the two world wars, let alone Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.  When I think of Gabby or Germans I have actually met, I have even less idea on the world wars.  I doubt ignorance is my problem in this - it's just clear the general stuff we are given is bunk.  When one researches social issues from war to child abuse, the reality shifts a long way from the history of Empire I was taught and the idea our politicians and bureaucracy operate in any competent way.

In another case, in Rotherham, more than 1400 victims of child sexual exploitation were further abused by all the services they encountered.  In this case, a young, female Home Office researcher had her work destroyed and was threatened by two police officers who said they were going to give her name and address to the abusers.  There are so many other cases I doubt I could finish writing their outline within a couple of days.  This is before one thinks about our banks and business practices, and revolting breaches of trust by priests, teachers and cops.

Who can we even tell when it is almost impossible to think of any speedy and fair investigations and resolutions - or even admissions of wrong-doing by our establishments?  This before you realise cops and other agencies quickly brief against victims and other complainants.

 

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