Thursday, January 31, 2013

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Motive

Motive might be considered as something a bit like ongoing
brainwashing in the production of docile bodies - and a consequence is
we rate subjectivism and the individual too strongly.

On 31 Jan, 19:13, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's in the work of Michel Foucault and others.  In essence I suppose
> its the creation of docile bodies and govern-mentality through
> propaganda and ADMASS culture - so people think voting occasionally in
> elections with no real choice is important.  One of the books was
> called 'Governing The Soul' (Nikolas Rose).
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> On 6 Jan, 10:23, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Neil , what is ' docile body production ?  Would you care to elaborate ?
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> >in election
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> > On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:40 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > If what you are saying Pol wasn't true there would be no advertising.
> > > What might be more important than free will questions are those on
> > > resisting govern-mentality and docile body production.  I am more
> > > interested in how we might stop mass manipulation in order more might
> > > be free in action.
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> > > The correct salute, if I was too patronising Allan is two-fingered.
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> > > On 3 Jan, 18:14, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Does it matter if we are free..or if we are not... philosophically i
> > >> mean... i think its significant the level of importance we are willing to
> > >> allow to the unconscious affecting the conscious... things affect people
> > >> differently... so isnt it kinda predetermined..the effect some externality
> > >> will have on someone... like saying i wish i was like so and so... then you
> > >> wouldn't be you..you would be that person... theres no point made here cos
> > >> im just thinking out loud..in text.. ;)  ...
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> > >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > >> > If it was all so simple, my attempts to simplify everything would not be
> > >> > so much fun. Man is a very complex being made up of both conscious and
> > >> > unconscious aspects that give him both freedoms and limitations.  That is
> > >> > the reason we should try to avoid judging other people. Our unconscious
> > >> > intuitions come from external sources, but we are free to listen and obey
> > >> > them and free to refuse to believe them. Our freedom lies in choosing the
> > >> > many choices we are continuously confronted with. And we decide using our
> > >> > free will - our desire. You can`t always get what you want, but in the end
> > >> > you will always get what you need. Psychologists are scientists and what
> > >> > scientists say should be taken with a grain of salt.  Like all of us, they
> > >> > are free to beleive anything they want to believe. And like all of us, they
> > >> > are free to change their mind when ever they want to.
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> > >> > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:31:28 PM UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
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> > >> >> Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real
> > >> >> determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the unconscious and
> > >> >> one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness is
> > >> >> ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong instinctive sex
> > >> >> drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them.
> > >> >> The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others for
> > >> >> our behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious motives
> > >> >> ? Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even aware
> > >> >> even though they are the real determinants of our actions.
> > >> >> The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously we
> > >> >> are free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand
> > >> >> freely. So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by
> > >> >> unconscious determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If
> > >> >> unconsciously we are selfish and consciously generous , it is our
> > >> >> generosity for which we can be judged and not the unconscious motive. So ,
> > >> >> the phantom of Bondage evaporates into thin air !
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> > >> >  --
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> > >> --
> > >> EverComing
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> > > --

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