You are right as ever Gabs. Max Stirner lives! We may be that 'union
of egoists' and contradictory collection of 'talentless outsiders'
waiting to wander in from Wimbledon Common to be exploited by
publishers for writing cant about Fichte - a kind of intellectual rags
to riches story sold on the wonder that philosophy ever entered our
burrows in the first place. Given the life of a Womble I doubt I
would leave it. A French cook, mistress and nanny to the children who
call me Uncle Bulgaria and a secure hole in the ground only serve to
remind me I never did meet Madame Cholet and live in the Sartrean
nightmare that reality might well doom me to being quartered with a
German humourist. Even Maxwell is only truly my pal as I let him off
the lead to open country (he needs the lead only because of his
tendency to play with traffic). He's moping about now doing rigs'
body language things to make me guilty enough to take him out in this
morning's rain. A cat is taking solace on my lap after extracting a
stroke fest with her claws gently placed behind my ears. Max is a
wonderful creature, taking on such preening duties and offering play
to all without favour. He has a squirrel pal living near one of his
field's bigger trees. He lets out a kind of whimpering howl of
delight when he spots her - even though she gives him fleas.
If we were good at the 'body-language' thing rigs we'd have no
advertising and wouldn't fall for the next political clown's lies
about WMD in Iraq. I was trained in something called 'micro-
expressions' and later cognitive interviewing. Both taught me I was
no good at spotting lying! Good liars never give you anything you can
check up on in a timescale that matters (before they can run off and
such). Kids and some adults claiming abuse sometimes make up
elaborate fantasies - in a recent case a woman claimed she had lost a
baby as a result of a rape but in fact had never been pregnant (hard
evidence tests). In one of my own cases I listened to several kids
describe a dungeon in a house on a hill. It was complete fantasy -
but the abuse was real and took place in a hotel. In another case I
was about to call social services believing the prostitute mother had
'lost' her kids whilst drunk-drugged (house was squalid). I heard the
cutlery draw rattle as I put a kettle on the gas to make her a cup of
tea. She'd looked harmless and dead-beat until she came at me with
the knife. As I called the ambulance for her she admitted she'd
drowned her kids in the canal. The case had already been closed by
three uniforms as 'NFA' (no further action) and I'd heard one of them
say 'he's only staying to get stuck up her' as they left. The
disgruntled force duty officer, pulled from her own warm pit, was
writing-up discipline forms on me when the shallow water diving team
found the kids two hours later. It was inappropriate for me to have
exceeded my rank in calling them out and incurring the expenditure.
It took 3 months for our rubber heels to drop the charges against me.
Eventually they decided I was the ranking detective at the time, but
they'd actually realised by then the kids might still have been alive
when I called the squad out. Truth was a desk sergeant had. I may be
too dumb to do the body language thingy rigs - I'm a social inadequate
in many respects, bored by smalltalk and cultural sign. I have good
corner of the eye vision and hearing and some strange sense of duty to
do something for a couple of waifs gone missing.
We probably confuse body language with more general aspects of us
being social animals. I can't see you abandoning those kids as others
did rigs and you'd probably have wielded the kettle as well as me.
You might well have continued making the tea as I did. She told me,
inaccurately, where the kids were over the brew. She was still
lying. Cops had lied to me about searching the house. She had 4 kids
not two. The youngest two were upstairs - we saved them. Previous
rubbish officers took part in frantic search. I 'forgot' what they
had initially told me. I doubt this story quite says why - but I
regard language as institutional. I might speak to my sister as I do
to Gabby above - spite between friends is not without its love. I
even love what spreadsheets can do, but hate most of what they are
used for.
What is the "body language" of the 'rich-a-giving' Allan? Why do I,
once believing Blair was a philanthropist, now see him as Bliar, the
steaming turd reborn after absolution and his cosy chat with god? I
do literally see him differently - yet I hope this is on the facts
beyond this manipulation of the matrix. The matrix is now lying to us
as surely as Soviet performance managers or the sociopaths who have
learned they do not need to hide their victims in cellars. Thieving
is only part of the spreadsheet Gabs - noble in the anti-IRA-romantic
'Ordinary Decent Criminal' and Robin Hood - dire in funnelling 90% to
1% and discounting most of the work still mostly done by women to 0%
of GDP along with most of the rest that matters. The world of
banksters and economists is much worse than the one in which I used to
meet prostitutes and people I could bang-up for criminal behaviour.
The central theory is probably control fraud - Bill Black is a good
start but here we use shorthand in facework lest we breach politesse
in the accusation of knowing too much (wasn't Norbert Elias German?).
In a way I agree with rigs - we need something as simple as the sign
of two people about to share the same bed - an economics without
words, ludicrously abstracted maths and that people can use for their
own purposes. This said, I must note I have often ended-up in bed
with the wrong partners! Must now do that body language that
convinces Maxwell I am his walk-butler. New Year's Eve so I'm off to
the rum district and loose women - which these days means bed by 8
p.m. in some gratitude such forays in my professional past only arise
when my eyes shut and trauma stalks. Max knows when to lick my face
and rouse me to the whiskey for a good night's sleep after we have
braced the streets once more. The lad himself gets what's left over
from tea and sometimes lets the cats have first go. I admire his
benevolence and awareness of feline claws!
A bonne chance mes amis. One can know being small, insignificant and
even inept was not failure in last of the summer wine. My amazon
voucher is cashed in, books read, computing tablet averted (eyes too
poor, fingers too senile), shotgun sold, CO2 pellet gun purchased
(taking Allan's advice), grandson on X-box crusade, Sue waiting
without protest for new car and Gabby's youthful patience a thing of
my past. How many Douglases does one get per voucher my dear? I
simply don't know.
On 31 Dec, 06:31, Allan H <
allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually Rigsy the comment of the Generous Rich is an insult though
> there are a few and yes I have meet several among the rich they
> appear to give massive amounts of money,, in reality they are
> hoarders and an uncaring lot.. Look at the number of them living off
> the national wage and giving the rest to or helping their fellow man.?
> You said the comment I see it differently than you do..
> Allan
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 6:10 AM, rigs <
rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Have we been insulted or complimented?
>
> > On Dec 28, 3:25 pm, Gabby <
gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I didn't get any books for Christmas, but Amazon and Douglas gift vouchers.
> >> That's great! I'll be able to use them when I need something.
>
> >> I like reading here. No author could have come up with such an anarchic
> >> plot, ghostly setting and high amount of under-performers and be able to
> >> sell it as a product. :)
>
> >> I wouldn't be able to sign this thievery is the root of all evil theory.
> >> The possessive 'have' causes wanted and unwanted effects, that's right
> >> though. Control comes into play. The Golden Calf never to become an
> >> ordinary cow or bull.
>
> >> Put back perspective in context and try again, I say.
>
> >> Am Freitag, 28. Dezember 2012 17:34:01 UTC+1 schrieb archytas:
>
> >> > I finally have my own copy of David Graeber's 'Debt: the first 5000
> >> > years', Hann and Hart's 'Economic Anthropology' and David Orell's
> >> > 'Economyths' - I've been dip[ping in and already know they don't offer
> >> > much I don't know or how to frame economics problems so enough of us
> >> > could understand them. It's good to know others, like me, think
> >> > thievery is the root and that the science alleged to be involved is
> >> > counterfeit stuff from the 19th century. Graeber finishes by saying
> >> > we should have a debt jubilee and start again (after historical
> >> > analysis). I'll get through the books by posting them in the toilet
> >> > and bathroom as relief from the day job. My guess is we are really as
> >> > stuck in a confrontation with power as Burmese peasants stuck with a
> >> > Chinese copper mine on their land. Graeber, an anarchist, sounds
> >> > rather like Molly or Gabby or Allan in hoping love might usurp self-
> >> > interest. I don't drink that soup for the soul! I rather see such
> >> > condition as dessert after we grind out a materialist solution after
> >> > we realise the rich have been having us on a butty.
>
> >> > On 28 Dec, 12:34, Molly <
mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > Interesting, achy, my husband and I are in the same boat. I keep going
> >> > > back to the classics on my shelf and the rare books yet uncovered that I
> >> > > can find for a song at the internet bookseller. Mostly, we surf the web
> >> > > for shreds of what is new in the research and come up short, as this is
> >> > > passed on at a need to know basis and posted on the Internet after the
> >> > > party or at the risk of indiscretion. Reading has been more interesting
> >> > > during other phases of life for me.
>
> >> > > On Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:08:50 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
>
> >> > > > I do something similar to Molly. Reading is largely about trying to
> >> > > > fly with ideas for me, different to the day-to-day. I suspect most
> >> > > > people in here would like anyone who wants to to be able to access
> >> > > > universities. I'd do this by changing what the university is. What
> >> > > > we have actually been doing seems to be madness. We are graduating
> >> > > > half our population without increasing 'working smarter' jobs or even
> >> > > > considering whether this is really possible - the probability is we
> >> > > > are devaluing graduate advantage just as we force kids into large debt
> >> > > > to get the qualifications. Finance, traditionally an unwanted cost
> >> > > > against production and sales, now leeches massive amounts from
> >> > > > production we used to retain as wages and liquid capital amongst our
> >> > > > 50% least well off (this was about 20% of GDP when I left school ans
> >> > > > is down to less than 1%). What I find in reading is consistent
> >> > > > distraction from what really matters. There isn't much difference
> >> > > > between watch mainstream news, whatever entertainment is on offer and
> >> > > > the academic vanity publishing. It feels as though there is nothing
> >> > > > to read or watch.
>
> >> > > > On 27 Dec, 23:19, archytas <
nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > I don't agree on the body language or behavioural cues rigs - all
> >> > the
> >> > > > > tests done show we are about as reliable as the toss of a coin. The
> >> > > > > people who are best at making us think we can read them are
> >> > > > > psychopaths - three times more likely to secure parole from
> >> > 'experts'.
>
> >> > > > > On 27 Dec, 09:15, Allan H <
allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > Yes the rich have more opportunities and exposure to make more
> >> > > > > > wealth.. why would you say that is Rigsy?? Why are not these
> >> > > > > > opportunities and exposure created for the poor? .. they are the
> >> > ones
> >> > > > > > that need it. or could it be part of the perks of worshiping at
> >> > the
> >> > > > > > feet of the golden calf??
> >> > > > > > Allan
>
> >> > > > > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 2:49 AM, rigs <
rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > It may be the rich have more opportunities and exposure, Allan.
> >> > > > Human
> >> > > > > > > nature is human nature. Also, celebrity creates another kind of
> >> > > > > > > challenge as the artist types gain fame and fortune- often to
> >> > laugh
> >> > > > at
> >> > > > > > > their own popularity and adulation of the public and critics-
> >> > > > Picasso
> >> > > > > > > comes to mind, for instance- have a savage quote of his around
> >> > here
> >> > > > > > > somewhere.
>
> >> > > > > > > On Dec 25, 8:04 am, Allan H <
allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > > >> Oddly I think you have a better chance for good ethics among
> >> > the
> >> > > > poor
> >> > > > > > >> over the rich,
> >> > > > > > >> Allan
>
> >> > > > > > >> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Molly <
mollyb...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > >> > I wonder if the researchers took into account that a truly
> >> > > > ethical person
> >> > > > > > >> > would not participate in the kind of rubbish that presents
> >> > > > predictable
> >> > > > > > >> > limited outcomes as fact. There may, indeed, be a
> >> > correlation
> >> > > > between
> >> > > > > > >> > creativity and ethics, but I suspect it is more inclusive and
> >> > > > requires
> >> > > > > > >> > examination without the limits designed to define results. I
> >> > keep
> >> > > > going back
> >> > > > > > >> > to the model of spiral dynamics, one that allows and
> >> > understands
> >> > > > that we all
> >> > > > > > >> > move up and down and between memes during our lives given the
> >> > > > circumstances
> >> > > > > > >> > of our experience. Someone who does not have enough money
> >> > for
> >> > > > food may
> >> > > > > > >> > cheat in this experiment more than someone who has never
> >> > known
> >> > > > financial
> >> > > > > > >> > stress or hunger. Here is a pretty good explanation of the
> >> > > > original Graves
> >> > > > > > >> > material, although I've seen better, its the best I could
> >> > find
> >> > > > online this
> >> > > > > > >> > morning.
> >> > > >
http://www.edumar.cl/documentos/SD_version_for_constellation5.pdf
>
> >> > > > > > >> > On Monday, December 24, 2012 5:58:21 PM UTC-5, archytas
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > >> >> A free paper with the ideas is at
> >> > > > > > >> >>
http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/11-064.pdf
> >> > > > > > >> >> I was interested because I find professional ethics and
> >> > > > religious
> >> > > > > > >> >> morality collapse under circumstances of self-interest and
> >> > > > become
> >> > > > > > >> >> rationalisation. WE need creative solutions - but there is
> >> > a
> >> > > > dark
> >> > > > > > >> >> side to creativity.
>
> >> > > > > > >> >> On 24 Dec, 22:03, archytas <
nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > > >> >> > "The (Honest) Truth About Dishonesty: How We Lie to
> >> > Everyone
> >> > > > —
> >> > > > > > >> >> > Especially Ourselves" by Dan Ariely asks a seemingly
> >> > simple
> >> > > > question —
> >> > > > > > >> >> > "is dishonesty largely restricted to a few bad apples, or
> >> > is
> >> > > > it a more
> >> > > > > > >> >> > widespread problem?" — and goes on to reveal the
> >> > surprising,
> >> > > > > > >> >> > illuminating, often unsettling truths that underpin the
> >> > > > uncomfortable
> >> > > > > > >> >> > answer. Like cruelty, dishonesty turns out to be a
> >> > remarkably
> >> > > > > > >> >> > prevalent phenomenon better explained by circumstances and
> >> > > > cognitive
> >> > > > > > >> >> > processes than by concepts like character.
>
> >> > > > > > >> >> > Work like this is challenging traditional economics - the
> >> > > > genre is
> >> > > > > > >> >> > 'behavioural economics'. My own take on this book and a
> >> > lot
> >> > > > of work
> >> > > > > > >> >> > from brain science and history is that we are at a tipping
> >> > > > point in
> >> > > > > > >> >> > respect of the possibility of a human science. I'd like
> >> > to
> >> > > > see a
> >> > > > > > >> >> > broader literature take up this challenge beyond current
> >> > > > drivel on
> >> > > > > > >> >> > black and white hats.
>
> >> > > > > > >> >> > So what are you guys reading?
>
> >> > > > > > >> > --
>
> >> > > > > > >> --
> >> > > > > > >> (
> >> > > > > > >> )
> >> > > > > > >> |_D Allan
>
> >> > > > > > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> >> > > > > > >> Of course I talk to myself,
> >> > > > > > >> Sometimes I need expert advice..- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > > > > > >> - Show quoted text -
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> >> > > > > > > --
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> >> > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > (
> >> > > > > > )
> >> > > > > > |_D Allan
>
> >> > > > > > Life is for moral,
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