Re: Mind's Eye Re: sexual orientation

Religion. Society. Family.//"Three Junes" was a very sensitive novel
about gays- think it won the National Book Award- or was on the list.
Islam will have its hands full adapting to Western mores but formerly
young Catholic women were strictly managed- our bodies being Temples
which later turned into Grand Central Station. Well, at least our
children were raised very differently.

On Sep 13, 3:24 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I rather agree with Vam.  We need to know people are sprung
> differently, but after that, who cares.
>
> On 13 Sep, 08:55, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Vam according to the kamasutra  there is no such thing as exsex. I mean
> > excess,
> > Allan
>
> > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I recall loving Henry Miller's accounts [ or was it Norman Mailer ? ] but
> > > not because he was having food or sex 24/7 ! It was the remarkably upfront
> > > tale of vitality that was highly empowering ... a thorough eye-opener to
> > > someone who was yet "erring" on the side of excess.
>
> > > On Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:47:23 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> > >> Man can make a choice also- and be honest about it. It does take
> > >> humans a long time to mature.
>
> > >> On Sep 12, 12:37 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > The only point about sexual orientation is the negative attitude people
> > >> > have to anything not their own. Take that away, in curative sense, and
> > >> the
> > >> > topic is not worth a minute of my attention.
>
> > >> > It's the same with sex and food. Be done with, whichever way you will.
> > >> In
> > >> > media, however, there are many who insist on keeping it as their only
> > >> > priority ... as hogs would ! That's when I conclude that the man has
> > >> not
> > >> > evolved.
>
> > >> > On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:30:13 AM UTC+5:30, archytas wrote:
>
> > >> > > I'd add that ADMASS culture doesn't help any of this.
> > >> > > And that I have no wish to live forever Al.  It would be good not to
> > >> > > look back on most of it as a waste of time though!  Had an enjoyable
> > >> > > chat about that with two former teachers last week.  Their biggest
> > >> > > grins came when they discovered I'd missed out on the early
> > >> retirement
> > >> > > scheme because I was five years younger than them.
>
> > >> > > On 11 Sep, 08:58, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > How old did you say you want to get to:
> > >> > > > Allan
>
> > >> > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:48 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > > > > The guess is 4 million switches and they may work in multiple
> > >> > > > > combination.
>
> > >> > > > > On 10 Sep, 20:15, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > I was reading the other day that the genetic code is far more
> > >> active
> > >> > > than
> > >> > > > > > it was ever believed and that the genetic code is active
> > >> through out
> > >> > > your
> > >> > > > > > entire life. they are looking into how to flip the genetic
> > >> switches
> > >> > > for
> > >> > > > > > everything from diabetes through cancer and other human
> > >> ailments.
>
> > >> > > > > > The genetic code is no longer restricted to that of our birth
> > >> > > > > > Allan
>
> > >> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > I think the hope is to optimise away from being so boring on
> > >> the
> > >> > > issue
> > >> > > > > > > of sexual orientation as gay, bi, lesbian and straight.  Only
> > >> > > > > > > godswank  prejudice could ever have led us to be bothered.
> > >> > > > > > > Orientation towards violent, predatory and exploitative sex
> > >> does
> > >> > > seem
> > >> > > > > > > worthy of consideration and there is sadly plenty of it.  I
> > >> > > suspect
> > >> > > > > > > this pathology is the model for our political economy.
>
> > >> > > > > > > I can sympathise with being Molly - Heidegger tortured it
> > >> death.
> > >> > >  I
> > >> > > > > > > came across a paedophile case recently in which the
> > >> perpetrator
> > >> > > had a
> > >> > > > > > > brain tumour.  Once removed the behaviour disappeared.  The
> > >> > > scalpel
> > >> > > > > > > saved him rather than introspection.  I agree, of course,
> > >> that we
> > >> > > need
> > >> > > > > > > more reflection on what we can be and how to live.  If life
> > >> as we
> > >> > > know
> > >> > > > > > > it (Jim) was a holiday destination, I wouldn't be coming
> > >> back.
>
> > >> > > > > > > Women (as in cosmetic adverts) make me sick, as would anyone
> > >> > > attracted
> > >> > > > > > > to Marks and Spencer by its latest clothes-horse marketing.
> > >>  It
> > >> > > seems
> > >> > > > > > > I have little orientation towards bimboism.  Anthropology
> > >> gives us
> > >> > > > > > > reason to suppose sexuality is culturally manufactured in
> > >> large
> > >> > > > > > > degree.  I suspect we don't think very clearly about it
>
> > >> > > > > > > Much as I don't like rules, I think we can value them in
> > >> minimal
> > >> > > > > > > form.  I'd guess one we're missing on sexuality is its use in
> > >> > > > > > > distraction, much like religious rituals.  I have to say,
> > >> Gabs,
> > >> > > that
> > >> > > > > > > the sexuality of any offspring would be of less concern to me
> > >> than
> > >> > > > > > > general health - thus no doubt making be ableist against the
> > >> > > social
> > >> > > > > > > model of disability.  One might ponder whether one would
> > >> prefer a
> > >> > > > > > > child to carry potential to be a fast-bowling all rounder or
> > >> born
> > >> > > > > > > straight (no contest for me).  The Italian aristocracy model
> > >> from
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > > > > > 17th century was essentially gay - women were just breeding
> > >> > > machines.
> > >> > > > > > > I am not an aristocrat and, having watched England thrash the
> > >> West
> > >> > > > > > > Indies in women's cricket, am a little sad I'm too old to
> > >> make a
> > >> > > fool
> > >> > > > > > > of myself with the whole eleven.
>
> > >> > > > > > > On 10 Sep, 16:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > This translates that there is hope for mankind to be able
> > >> to
> > >> > > optimize
> > >> > > > > > > > their offspring's sexual orientation to the desired one. An
> > >> old
> > >> > > > > > > > belief.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > I'd say that genes only rule rationality when rationality
> > >> or
> > >> > > "mind"
> > >> > > > > > > rules
> > >> > > > > > > > > being.  A quiet mind opens endless possibility.
> > >>  Epigenetics
> > >> > > is
> > >> > > > > > > changing the
> > >> > > > > > > > > paradigm as we find our genetic code in flux and
> > >> responsive to
> > >> > > our
> > >> > > > > > > internal
> > >> > > > > > > > > environment.  Twins separated at birth match their
> > >> adoptive
> > >> > > parents
> > >> > > > > > > genetic
> > >> > > > > > > > > code more than their biological.  All quite fascinating.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 10, 2012 7:35:52 AM UTC-4, archytas
> > >> > > wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > > > > >> I watched some gorillas on television a couple of days
> > >> back.
> > >> > >  An
> > >> > > > > all
> > >> > > > > > > > >> male group were practising homosexuality, but then the
> > >> women
> > >> > > > > moved in
> > >> > > > > > > > >> and they reverted to straight.  The alpha appeared to
> > >> > > dominate the
> > >> > > > > > > > >> sex, but in fact the others got on with life behind his
> > >> back.
> > >> > >  All
> > >> > > > > > > > >> very human.  A couple of weeks back I had a bit of a
> > >> blow out
> > >> > > > > down the
> > >> > > > > > > > >> pub.  I was accused by a psycho of fancying his wife -
> > >> all
> > >> > > very
> > >> > > > > ape.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > >> I find sexual orientation pretty boring.  I still get
> > >> the
> > >> > > smarts
> > >> > > > > from
> > >> > > > > > > > >> time to time, but find sex as commercially presented
> > >> dull.
> > >> > >  I'd
> > >> > > > > say
> > >> > > > > > > > >> each to his or her own if my old job hadn't exposed me
> > >> to
> > >> > > utter
> > >> > > > > > > > >> perversion.  I have a mate into bondage and pain and
> > >> that's
> > >> > > his
> > >> > > > > > > > >> business.  I can't say the same about sex tourism and
> > >> child
> > >> > > abuse
> > >> > > > > such
> > >> > > > > > > > >> as getting sex from young kids by giving them mobile
> > >> phones.
> > >> > >  Most
> > >> > > > > > > > >> cultures have abusive sex rings and weird rituals.  I
> > >> have a
> > >> > > > > > > > >> particular disdain for men in skirts waiving incense,
> > >> > > pretending
> > >> > > > > > > > >> holiness and abusing kids.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > >> I'm a cuddly sort under whatever enigma I present or is
> > >> (more
> > >> > > > > > > > >> accurately I think) perceived by others.  Derrida had it
> > >> > > somewhere
> > >> > > > > > > > >> that the pen scratching paper is violence.  My favourite
> > >> > > sports
> > >> > > > > are
> > >> > > > > > > > >> violent (cricket and rugby).  Sex itself is somewhat
> > >> more
> > >> > > violent
> > >> > > > > than
> > >> > > > > > > > >> scratching paper with a nib, though our ludic gasps are
> > >> not
> > >> > > > > usually
> > >> > > > > > > > >> about pain.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > >> I'm not at all sure sexual orientation is about
> > >> straight,
> > >> > > gay,
> > >> > > > > lesbian
> > >> > > > > > > > >> and so on.  Sue's dog has a thing  for my duffle-coat,
> > >> > > teenage
> > >> > > > > legs as
> > >> > > > > > > > >> he approaches 'maturity' and is devoted to our female
> > >> cat.
> > >> > >  What
> > >> > > > > > > > >> consenting people do between themselves is generally of
> > >> no
> > >> > > > > account,
> > >> > > > > > > > >> though the taboos we have on age and incest are about
> > >> right.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > >> Genetically, we are close to not needing sexual
> > >> relations for
> > >> > > > > > > > >> reproduction - either sex can, in principle, reproduce
> > >> > > without the
> > >> > > > > > > > >> other, and again in principle, we could build the 'next
> > >> > > model'
> > >> > > > > from
> > >> > > > > > > > >> chemical constituents.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > >> I suspect our economic affairs are little more than some
> > >> > > > > sublimated
> > >> > > > > > > > >> ape genetics.
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