Re: Mind's Eye Re: sexual orientation

Mothers and novelists? The others keep on minding their own business.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:24 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> I rather agree with Vam. We need to know people are sprung
> differently, but after that, who cares.
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> On 13 Sep, 08:55, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Vam according to the kamasutra there is no such thing as exsex. I mean
>> excess,
>> Allan
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>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I recall loving Henry Miller's accounts [ or was it Norman Mailer ? ] but
>> > not because he was having food or sex 24/7 ! It was the remarkably upfront
>> > tale of vitality that was highly empowering ... a thorough eye-opener to
>> > someone who was yet "erring" on the side of excess.
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>> > On Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:47:23 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
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>> >> Man can make a choice also- and be honest about it. It does take
>> >> humans a long time to mature.
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>> >> On Sep 12, 12:37 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > The only point about sexual orientation is the negative attitude people
>> >> > have to anything not their own. Take that away, in curative sense, and
>> >> the
>> >> > topic is not worth a minute of my attention.
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>> >> > It's the same with sex and food. Be done with, whichever way you will.
>> >> In
>> >> > media, however, there are many who insist on keeping it as their only
>> >> > priority ... as hogs would ! That's when I conclude that the man has
>> >> not
>> >> > evolved.
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>> >> > On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:30:13 AM UTC+5:30, archytas wrote:
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>> >> > > I'd add that ADMASS culture doesn't help any of this.
>> >> > > And that I have no wish to live forever Al. It would be good not to
>> >> > > look back on most of it as a waste of time though! Had an enjoyable
>> >> > > chat about that with two former teachers last week. Their biggest
>> >> > > grins came when they discovered I'd missed out on the early
>> >> retirement
>> >> > > scheme because I was five years younger than them.
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>> >> > > On 11 Sep, 08:58, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > How old did you say you want to get to:
>> >> > > > Allan
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>> >> > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:48 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > > > > The guess is 4 million switches and they may work in multiple
>> >> > > > > combination.
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>> >> > > > > On 10 Sep, 20:15, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > > > I was reading the other day that the genetic code is far more
>> >> active
>> >> > > than
>> >> > > > > > it was ever believed and that the genetic code is active
>> >> through out
>> >> > > your
>> >> > > > > > entire life. they are looking into how to flip the genetic
>> >> switches
>> >> > > for
>> >> > > > > > everything from diabetes through cancer and other human
>> >> ailments.
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>> >> > > > > > The genetic code is no longer restricted to that of our birth
>> >> > > > > > Allan
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>> >> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > I think the hope is to optimise away from being so boring on
>> >> the
>> >> > > issue
>> >> > > > > > > of sexual orientation as gay, bi, lesbian and straight. Only
>> >> > > > > > > godswank prejudice could ever have led us to be bothered.
>> >> > > > > > > Orientation towards violent, predatory and exploitative sex
>> >> does
>> >> > > seem
>> >> > > > > > > worthy of consideration and there is sadly plenty of it. I
>> >> > > suspect
>> >> > > > > > > this pathology is the model for our political economy.
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>> >> > > > > > > I can sympathise with being Molly - Heidegger tortured it
>> >> death.
>> >> > > I
>> >> > > > > > > came across a paedophile case recently in which the
>> >> perpetrator
>> >> > > had a
>> >> > > > > > > brain tumour. Once removed the behaviour disappeared. The
>> >> > > scalpel
>> >> > > > > > > saved him rather than introspection. I agree, of course,
>> >> that we
>> >> > > need
>> >> > > > > > > more reflection on what we can be and how to live. If life
>> >> as we
>> >> > > know
>> >> > > > > > > it (Jim) was a holiday destination, I wouldn't be coming
>> >> back.
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>> >> > > > > > > Women (as in cosmetic adverts) make me sick, as would anyone
>> >> > > attracted
>> >> > > > > > > to Marks and Spencer by its latest clothes-horse marketing.
>> >> It
>> >> > > seems
>> >> > > > > > > I have little orientation towards bimboism. Anthropology
>> >> gives us
>> >> > > > > > > reason to suppose sexuality is culturally manufactured in
>> >> large
>> >> > > > > > > degree. I suspect we don't think very clearly about it
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>> >> > > > > > > Much as I don't like rules, I think we can value them in
>> >> minimal
>> >> > > > > > > form. I'd guess one we're missing on sexuality is its use in
>> >> > > > > > > distraction, much like religious rituals. I have to say,
>> >> Gabs,
>> >> > > that
>> >> > > > > > > the sexuality of any offspring would be of less concern to me
>> >> than
>> >> > > > > > > general health - thus no doubt making be ableist against the
>> >> > > social
>> >> > > > > > > model of disability. One might ponder whether one would
>> >> prefer a
>> >> > > > > > > child to carry potential to be a fast-bowling all rounder or
>> >> born
>> >> > > > > > > straight (no contest for me). The Italian aristocracy model
>> >> from
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > > > > > 17th century was essentially gay - women were just breeding
>> >> > > machines.
>> >> > > > > > > I am not an aristocrat and, having watched England thrash the
>> >> West
>> >> > > > > > > Indies in women's cricket, am a little sad I'm too old to
>> >> make a
>> >> > > fool
>> >> > > > > > > of myself with the whole eleven.
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>> >> > > > > > > On 10 Sep, 16:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > > This translates that there is hope for mankind to be able
>> >> to
>> >> > > optimize
>> >> > > > > > > > their offspring's sexual orientation to the desired one. An
>> >> old
>> >> > > > > > > > belief.
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>> >> > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
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>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > > > I'd say that genes only rule rationality when rationality
>> >> or
>> >> > > "mind"
>> >> > > > > > > rules
>> >> > > > > > > > > being. A quiet mind opens endless possibility.
>> >> Epigenetics
>> >> > > is
>> >> > > > > > > changing the
>> >> > > > > > > > > paradigm as we find our genetic code in flux and
>> >> responsive to
>> >> > > our
>> >> > > > > > > internal
>> >> > > > > > > > > environment. Twins separated at birth match their
>> >> adoptive
>> >> > > parents
>> >> > > > > > > genetic
>> >> > > > > > > > > code more than their biological. All quite fascinating.
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>> >> > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 10, 2012 7:35:52 AM UTC-4, archytas
>> >> > > wrote:
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>> >> > > > > > > > >> I watched some gorillas on television a couple of days
>> >> back.
>> >> > > An
>> >> > > > > all
>> >> > > > > > > > >> male group were practising homosexuality, but then the
>> >> women
>> >> > > > > moved in
>> >> > > > > > > > >> and they reverted to straight. The alpha appeared to
>> >> > > dominate the
>> >> > > > > > > > >> sex, but in fact the others got on with life behind his
>> >> back.
>> >> > > All
>> >> > > > > > > > >> very human. A couple of weeks back I had a bit of a
>> >> blow out
>> >> > > > > down the
>> >> > > > > > > > >> pub. I was accused by a psycho of fancying his wife -
>> >> all
>> >> > > very
>> >> > > > > ape.
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>> >> > > > > > > > >> I find sexual orientation pretty boring. I still get
>> >> the
>> >> > > smarts
>> >> > > > > from
>> >> > > > > > > > >> time to time, but find sex as commercially presented
>> >> dull.
>> >> > > I'd
>> >> > > > > say
>> >> > > > > > > > >> each to his or her own if my old job hadn't exposed me
>> >> to
>> >> > > utter
>> >> > > > > > > > >> perversion. I have a mate into bondage and pain and
>> >> that's
>> >> > > his
>> >> > > > > > > > >> business. I can't say the same about sex tourism and
>> >> child
>> >> > > abuse
>> >> > > > > such
>> >> > > > > > > > >> as getting sex from young kids by giving them mobile
>> >> phones.
>> >> > > Most
>> >> > > > > > > > >> cultures have abusive sex rings and weird rituals. I
>> >> have a
>> >> > > > > > > > >> particular disdain for men in skirts waiving incense,
>> >> > > pretending
>> >> > > > > > > > >> holiness and abusing kids.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > >> I'm a cuddly sort under whatever enigma I present or is
>> >> (more
>> >> > > > > > > > >> accurately I think) perceived by others. Derrida had it
>> >> > > somewhere
>> >> > > > > > > > >> that the pen scratching paper is violence. My favourite
>> >> > > sports
>> >> > > > > are
>> >> > > > > > > > >> violent (cricket and rugby). Sex itself is somewhat
>> >> more
>> >> > > violent
>> >> > > > > than
>> >> > > > > > > > >> scratching paper with a nib, though our ludic gasps are
>> >> not
>> >> > > > > usually
>> >> > > > > > > > >> about pain.
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>> >> > > > > > > > >> I'm not at all sure sexual orientation is about
>> >> straight,
>> >> > > gay,
>> >> > > > > lesbian
>> >> > > > > > > > >> and so on. Sue's dog has a thing for my duffle-coat,
>> >> > > teenage
>> >> > > > > legs as
>> >> > > > > > > > >> he approaches 'maturity' and is devoted to our female
>> >> cat.
>> >> > > What
>> >> > > > > > > > >> consenting people do between themselves is generally of
>> >> no
>> >> > > > > account,
>> >> > > > > > > > >> though the taboos we have on age and incest are about
>> >> right.
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>> >> > > > > > > > >> Genetically, we are close to not needing sexual
>> >> relations for
>> >> > > > > > > > >> reproduction - either sex can, in principle, reproduce
>> >> > > without the
>> >> > > > > > > > >> other, and again in principle, we could build the 'next
>> >> > > model'
>> >> > > > > from
>> >> > > > > > > > >> chemical constituents.
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>> >> > > > > > > > >> I suspect our economic affairs are little more than some
>> >> > > > > sublimated
>> >> > > > > > > > >> ape genetics. I'm interested in how gang-rape and abuse
>> >> > > cultures
>> >> > > > > come
>> >> > > > > > > > >> about in an attempt to understand how a sexual
>> >> orientation
>> >> > > > > infringes
>> >> > > > > > > > >> emancipation and consenting mutuality - and how we might
>> >> live
>> >> > > > > free of
>> >> > > > > > > > >> the domination of genes over rationality (itself
>> >> somewhat
>> >> > > > > > > gene-driven).
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > --
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>> >> > > > > > > --
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>> >> > > > > > --
>> >> > > > > > (
>> >> > > > > > )
>> >> > > > > > |_D Allan
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>> >> > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful
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