Re: Mind's Eye Re: Hillsborough

Ambulance services lied too - one guy who did come forward (almost
needless to say the only one who got his ambulance to the real problem
area) was vilified. A local MP was at the centre of the lying, along
with the chief constable, police sweetheart union and Sun newspaper.
What interests me about this case is its documentation - all on-line.
It could be a paradigm case of organisational behaviour. The obvious
parallel is Rodney King - but I'm sure we'd soon fill plenty of paper
listing others.

On 13 Sep, 10:39, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thank god for parents who don't give up on finding out the truth and
> lawyers are handy once in a while. What about the ambulence services?
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> On Sep 13, 3:20 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Not one of 164 police officers who lied came forward to say what was
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> > On 12 Sep, 19:16, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > In my understanding truth that flows is the creation process of the
> > > cover-up story, because truth is, it cannot flow. And the good men
> > > that you are referring to are those that I'd hold responsible for
> > > being so free as to interpret their job description very much
> > > according to their own values. And the true truth is even a little
> > > truer...
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> > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Truth flows when the mind is free. Men, especially good ones, are slaves to
> > > > duty, not truth, and institutional instructions, not their own values.
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> > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:11:17 PM UTC+5:30, archytas wrote:
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> > > >> Families who lost people at the Hillsborough disaster kept up a 23
> > > >> year campaign to reveal the truth about this soccer match
> > > >> catastrophe.  The report is damning.  Politicians are apologising with
> > > >> more practised sincerity than banksters.  The cover-up has been
> > > >> exposed, with lies told by all relevant authorities and government.
> > > >> It's good to see the families and victims vindicated.
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> > > >> The big question is why we didn't get the truth at the time.  Others
> > > >> include why so many "good people" lied or stayed quiet.
> > > >> Statistically, we should ask whether these lying cover-ups are what we
> > > >> get from public services, banks and big business over such matters as
> > > >> Baby P, the BP Gulf and Bhopal disasters.  I know of plenty of such
> > > >> disgusting cover-ups and struggle to think of any honest approaches.
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> > > >> There are already people saying things have changed for the better
> > > >> over 23 years.  I don't believe that.  Virtually every worker who
> > > >> tries to blow the whistle is sacked, degraded and made out as an
> > > >> incompetent malcontent.  We don't know who was responsible for 9/11
> > > >> and after two enquiries have no clue why we are in Afghanistan or
> > > >> Iraq.  US carrier activities are at an all-time high around Iran.  The
> > > >> 'war on drugs' leaves the crap on our streets and kills in South
> > > >> America on a war scale.
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> > > >> Due process isn't working.
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