Monday, July 30, 2012

Re: Mind's Eye Re: The Truth and Nothing But...

Ah, I know that problem. Send your friend over to Berlin and I'll give
him a 20-years-after guided tour.

You see, I'm a native West-Berliner and when The Wall came down 23
years ago it was a world event also. And it forced a lot of need for
adaption on us too. The good idea behind it won. The necessary
whinging is being processed in new fields of expertise now. :)

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Lee Douglas <> wrote:
> Ahhh the ongoing, everlasting, nonstoping quest for truth.
> I was having a go at a great frined of mine just the other day9coz you can
> with greate freinds). I was berating him for his constant whinging about
> the olympics being here, and yes of course he is not into sport so I kinda
> get it, but he was being all indgnant thatr his harsh words on Twitter were
> bringing him back harsh words in return.
> I told him that like it or loath it the Olympics is a world wide event and
> it IS (capital S coz it's 'the truth') a big deal for us native Londoners to
> have it here.
> He said something along the lines of So I have to pretend to lie it then?
> I told him of course not, but you can't pretend to not understand how
> antagonistic words from the 'we don't like it camp' may bring the same back
> from the 'we love it camp.'
> His reply was a rather terse one telling how he doesn't like to be called
> wrong, mine was equaly as terse mentioning the S word (yes subjective) and
> telling him to man up and don't let others words get to him, ohh and of
> course you're wrong mate.
> His next reply..... hehe he didn't bother!
> I guess the point is we will not find out who is correct about the benifits
> to the UK and London from the Olympics untill long after and so I would say
> that most facts cannot be substantiated untill time has shown them for what
> they are.
> On Sunday, 29 July 2012 13:21:07 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>> Facts are an important fact-or of consensus reality which is based solely
>> on mind (temporal). There is more to truth than that, but relative truth
>> can be found with facts, including consensus truths. But they are relative.
>> On Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, Vam wrote:
>>> Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds.
>>> Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are
>>> aware of.
>>> Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and conviction.
>>> Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your
>>> perception.
>>> Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire
>>> and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent
>>> insight
>>> with a critical eye.
>>> The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
>>> But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
>>> and hell of a lot of going through.
>>> We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
>>> and the art of going through !
>>> On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>>>> Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
>>>> presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
>>>> content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until "Bury
>>>> My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
>>>> political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
>>>> getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
>>>> history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
>>>> opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's entertainment-
>>>> otherwise fisticuffs and tears.
> --



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