Re: Mind's Eye Syria

I understand the middle east is a mess..  (not in support of any side)  Israel was provided land under a UN agreement  which I can agree on  the have a right to live as a nation..     but that agreement was not enough they had to attack the surrounding countries  coincidentally the only reason they were able to do that twas the US intervened in a war they started.. From the actions of the Israel nation they are nothing but a group of thugs and trouble makers..   It is Israels aggressiveness that keeps the area in turmoil..   If you don't believe me Don look at the west bank  That is totally a palistianian area except that the isreals run  in and start building settlement claiming it is part of isreal..

Until isreal's nucular weapons are dactivated, then totally removed (they have proven that they can not be trusted on any level) and the nation is brought under control there will be no peace in the area.

My solution isolate the entire area and  let them have fun killing each other,,  with out backing or support to either side..  that is apparently what they like to do by demonstration.

Allan

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Don Johnson <dajohn@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Allan just noticed your comment here. I may be beating a dead horse but i couldn't let this go without at least a token response. Of course we would not have invaded just because of Saddam's human rights violations. Stability in the region that supplies much of the world's oil was, as you rightly point out, a major concern. It still is or at least should be. Our friends the Saudis were even worried. I'm very concerned we are packing up and leaving the party far, far too soon. Without US soldiers in the region Iraq is likely to fall under Iranian influence. Indeed, much of the 'insurgency' has been directed from Tehran. 

I'm at a loss with your description of the Palestinian/Israeli situation. You sound like you think there was a 'war' between Palestine and Israel. I admit I'm no M.E. scholar but all the wars I know about involving Israel post partition plan involve several Arab countries against a fledgling Western nation. Any land grabbing not sanctioned by the UN was done after Israel was threatened by Syria, Jordan and Egypt during the 6 day war. Recent Israeli attempts at pacification by giving up some of these lands has been repaid with attacks. Of course there's more then one side to this story but hearing all the rhetoric from Arab countries in the last 30 years or so has me convinced peace has never been further away. Arabs don't want peace they want to annihilate Jews. The recent 'Arab Spring' and the forming of Muslim Brotherhood governments with peculiar new laws further demeaning already subjugated women just reinforces my poor opinion of the backward culture these folks have to endure. God help them all. 

From my observations it seems clear the surrounding countries have no interest in a strong and independent Palestine. They want that land for themselves. If every Jew picked up and left today by tomorrow a half dozen Arab countries would be staking their claim and the so-called 'Palestinians' would remain the perpetual refugees that they are and be shoved off further into the desert.  Darwin's Theory and all that. 

Soooo glad to be appreciated Vam. I especially like it when my perspective is critiqued soundly. There is much we would probably agree on and I have been known to  be wrong. Occasionally. 

dj

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:

Don I am not saying Saddam was perfect,,  but then no world leader is..  It was the desire for Bush to be a great war time leader that brought on the Iraq war  not human rights..   The invasions have all been based on oil or other means to pay for the cost of war..  You talk about the Philistine people being the terrorists..  well how to you take into the account of Israel taking their land by force..  and in their war  which they would have lost if the US had not stepped in supplying them with the needed ammunition to carry it on..

Putting it bluntly the US has in the past supported Israels terrorism as it has continued to this day..  If the US did not support Israels terrorism  the world would a different more peaceful place..  face reality Don if there was no law in Texas region and your neighbor came over and stole your stuff you would be strapping on your guns and going to go get your property back...

You can not place blame on people for wanting to recover what is theirs and support those that stole the property in the first place

Allan

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Don Johnson <dajohn@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Don Johnson <dajohn@gmail.com> wrote:

Russia is fairly cozy with Syria's current leaders. Any military intervention by a Western power would be seen as provocative by Russia. Their presence on the security council blocks any official military action from the UN. Veto power. We have seen what 'unilateral' intervention by a Western country can do to it's world reputation. Your reference to Iraq

Continued....

 

and the USA's invasion and occupation doesn't mention WHY this was done nor what led up to it. It might interest you to know that human rights groups had been whining for YEARS about Saddam's abuses. The UN, left to it's own ineffectual devices, will do nothing.

 

So, you ask why Western countries don't interfere. Look to Iraq and see your answer. If you ask why neighboring countries don't interfere it's because they expect the US or UN to to all the heavy lifting so they do nothing. Just like those countries surrounding Palestine that could help that country succeed and prosper by helping it rid itself of militant trouble makers like the PLO but instead enable them to greater mischief. They were very effective in raising money for so-called 'aid' that was used instead for terror purposes and to solidify their own power. It's a shame really. Israel could be a great neighbor if hate were put on the back burner and tolerance and respect given a chance.

 

I am not holding my breath. BTW, Iran has it's stinky little fingers in all these Mid-East pies as well. I'm not being racist, dammit I'm calling the Government stinky, not the Iranian people. Them I like well enough and was frankly disappointed Obama did NOTHING after that bogus election and crack-down on dissenters that followed. Nary a peep about that do we hear do we?

 

dj

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:35 AM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:

The Egyptian military might not be so pleasant when they lose their
shirts.

Humans have been killing their brethren forever- it started with Cain
and Abel. I wonder how long we can call the shots with an empty
treasury.

On Apr 16, 3:03 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now i cant help but think of the Military role in all this... if a
> number of them defect... or if they refuse orders.. i am sure they
> could neutralize the situation.. thats one thing the egyptians had..
> support of the Army... i dont know how these people can stand shelling
> civilians..its incomprehensible... Thsi calls for a new post all
> together i suppose.. rise of the modern Army....
>
> On Apr 12, 11:06 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The middle east is a nightmare to say the least. looking over the migration
> > of human population essentially the middle east is essentially the same
> > segment of the human population, whether it is the second or third great
> > migration is of little importance. BUT in my observation each migration has
> > its own sense of morality all though there is common parts they are not the
> > same view and definitely do not have a common morality.
>
> > Every time  the west or 5th migration intervenes to aid in the affairs of
> > the middle east it degenerates down to tribal factions,  If you intervene
> >  you are condemned ..  and it seems the west only intervenes is either for
> > oil or in the Case of the Bush-Iraq pure ego..  How would you suggest
> > eliminating the made man?
> > Allan
>
> > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > thats what i want to know gabbs, if you dont have power, what can you do?
> > > But i understand a little perhaps what youre saying, this attitude that
> > > promotes statuse quo , that those who do will always do.... thats why i
> > > want the neighbor countries to take part in the intervention... well.. at
> > > least we have a ceasefire now.. dont know where it'll go from there...
>
> > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:49 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> I am sorry that I was replying to how you said it rather that what you
> > >> said. In fact I was interested in just that, in how it works. - In order to
> > >> escape the apathy of knowing it's always those with the economical and
> > >> military power who do what they always do. - I did not succeed, I need to
> > >> find another way to make peace with myself.
>
> > >> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > >>> Ok... i thought i did... at one point.. but i dont get what youre
> > >>> saying....sorry... although i must say i am in love with how you use
> > >>> words....... anyways.. i am guessing you didnt like my style... youre
> > >>> right.. i don blame you.. the end part does seem stupid... honesty can seem
> > >>> dumb if not adjusted correctly... all i am trying to say is.. i am just
> > >>> trying to figure out the attitude towards Syria.. of other nations.. and at
> > >>> the same time... wondering of how things might end... or how prolonged the
> > >>> conflict will be... and that it worries me if there is no intervention... i
> > >>> also wanted to know what others thought about it....
>
> > >>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Poly. Let me explain how
> > >>>> your thoughts come across here on my side. The first thing that strikes me
> > >>>> as strange is the politically correct formulation of feelings about an
> > >>>> issue of human interest. I see citizens arguing for the health benefits of
> > >>>> the salad in their bowl while expanding in size over their fried meat side
> > >>>> from the fondue pot. Which then makes me stumble over your desire to share
> > >>>> your concern with us guys. Why don't you just say what you want and let me
> > >>>> pick my salad pieces in the order I like them best? Your share makes me
> > >>>> think of an invitation to divide and impera on over-fertilized ground ...
> > >>>> need to stop here ... need to go out now while it's not raining yet.
>
> > >>>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:11 AM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > >>>>> Now i know plenty is being said about the situation in Syria.. but i
> > >>>>> am really bothered because it seems we're stuck in a loop.... this is
> > >>>>> reminding me of the time of American occupation in Iraq.. whenever you
> > >>>>> switched the news on there would report of some bombing or explosion
> > >>>>> in Baghdad or elsewhere, likewise now... you switch on the news
> > >>>>> anytime there will definitely be something on the shelling in Homs or
> > >>>>> somewhere else.. what is disturbing is that though the images of gore
> > >>>>> reach us pretty quickly .. there is minimal news on the efforts by any
> > >>>>> big states , through the UN or otherwise.. its only the one percent
> > >>>>> that gets to the world i suppose..i guess you cant really imagine the
> > >>>>> real situation there.. now i am not commenting on the politics ,
> > >>>>> because i feel you can seriously talk and talk.. all that should be
> > >>>>> left for later... What i dont understand is that there is no active
> > >>>>> intervention even by the neighboring countries.. surely they cant
> > >>>>> support Assad.!. i get most of the countries are perhaps dealing with
> > >>>>> their own.. but you cant help but sense some apathy towards the whole
> > >>>>> thing.Also its understandable that one might be wary of supporting
> > >>>>> rebels or any ideology, but it is clear now that the Syrian government
> > >>>>> is bent on exterminating half of its population..there is no reason to
> > >>>>> withhold active intervention.. and yes i mean a military one..It is
> > >>>>> clear as daylight Assad is killing his own people....is the security
> > >>>>> council just a fancy name or what   ..I dont know what the purpose of
> > >>>>> this piece was.. And i feel it would be hypocritical to say much as i
> > >>>>> have no idea of whats actually going on there.. but i am just
> > >>>>> concerned and i am posting it here to share with you guys..cos well ..
> > >>>>> thats what we do.. what do you think guys...
>
> > >>> --
> > >>> EverComing
>
> > > --
> > > EverComing
>
> > --
> >  (
> >   )
> > |_D Allan
>

> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: Mind's Eye Syria

Hey Allan just noticed your comment here. I may be beating a dead horse but i couldn't let this go without at least a token response. Of course we would not have invaded just because of Saddam's human rights violations. Stability in the region that supplies much of the world's oil was, as you rightly point out, a major concern. It still is or at least should be. Our friends the Saudis were even worried. I'm very concerned we are packing up and leaving the party far, far too soon. Without US soldiers in the region Iraq is likely to fall under Iranian influence. Indeed, much of the 'insurgency' has been directed from Tehran. 

I'm at a loss with your description of the Palestinian/Israeli situation. You sound like you think there was a 'war' between Palestine and Israel. I admit I'm no M.E. scholar but all the wars I know about involving Israel post partition plan involve several Arab countries against a fledgling Western nation. Any land grabbing not sanctioned by the UN was done after Israel was threatened by Syria, Jordan and Egypt during the 6 day war. Recent Israeli attempts at pacification by giving up some of these lands has been repaid with attacks. Of course there's more then one side to this story but hearing all the rhetoric from Arab countries in the last 30 years or so has me convinced peace has never been further away. Arabs don't want peace they want to annihilate Jews. The recent 'Arab Spring' and the forming of Muslim Brotherhood governments with peculiar new laws further demeaning already subjugated women just reinforces my poor opinion of the backward culture these folks have to endure. God help them all. 

From my observations it seems clear the surrounding countries have no interest in a strong and independent Palestine. They want that land for themselves. If every Jew picked up and left today by tomorrow a half dozen Arab countries would be staking their claim and the so-called 'Palestinians' would remain the perpetual refugees that they are and be shoved off further into the desert.  Darwin's Theory and all that. 

Soooo glad to be appreciated Vam. I especially like it when my perspective is critiqued soundly. There is much we would probably agree on and I have been known to  be wrong. Occasionally. 

dj

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:

Don I am not saying Saddam was perfect,,  but then no world leader is..  It was the desire for Bush to be a great war time leader that brought on the Iraq war  not human rights..   The invasions have all been based on oil or other means to pay for the cost of war..  You talk about the Philistine people being the terrorists..  well how to you take into the account of Israel taking their land by force..  and in their war  which they would have lost if the US had not stepped in supplying them with the needed ammunition to carry it on..

Putting it bluntly the US has in the past supported Israels terrorism as it has continued to this day..  If the US did not support Israels terrorism  the world would a different more peaceful place..  face reality Don if there was no law in Texas region and your neighbor came over and stole your stuff you would be strapping on your guns and going to go get your property back...

You can not place blame on people for wanting to recover what is theirs and support those that stole the property in the first place

Allan

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Don Johnson <dajohn@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Don Johnson <dajohn@gmail.com> wrote:

Russia is fairly cozy with Syria's current leaders. Any military intervention by a Western power would be seen as provocative by Russia. Their presence on the security council blocks any official military action from the UN. Veto power. We have seen what 'unilateral' intervention by a Western country can do to it's world reputation. Your reference to Iraq

Continued....

 

and the USA's invasion and occupation doesn't mention WHY this was done nor what led up to it. It might interest you to know that human rights groups had been whining for YEARS about Saddam's abuses. The UN, left to it's own ineffectual devices, will do nothing.

 

So, you ask why Western countries don't interfere. Look to Iraq and see your answer. If you ask why neighboring countries don't interfere it's because they expect the US or UN to to all the heavy lifting so they do nothing. Just like those countries surrounding Palestine that could help that country succeed and prosper by helping it rid itself of militant trouble makers like the PLO but instead enable them to greater mischief. They were very effective in raising money for so-called 'aid' that was used instead for terror purposes and to solidify their own power. It's a shame really. Israel could be a great neighbor if hate were put on the back burner and tolerance and respect given a chance.

 

I am not holding my breath. BTW, Iran has it's stinky little fingers in all these Mid-East pies as well. I'm not being racist, dammit I'm calling the Government stinky, not the Iranian people. Them I like well enough and was frankly disappointed Obama did NOTHING after that bogus election and crack-down on dissenters that followed. Nary a peep about that do we hear do we?

 

dj

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:35 AM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:

The Egyptian military might not be so pleasant when they lose their
shirts.

Humans have been killing their brethren forever- it started with Cain
and Abel. I wonder how long we can call the shots with an empty
treasury.

On Apr 16, 3:03 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now i cant help but think of the Military role in all this... if a
> number of them defect... or if they refuse orders.. i am sure they
> could neutralize the situation.. thats one thing the egyptians had..
> support of the Army... i dont know how these people can stand shelling
> civilians..its incomprehensible... Thsi calls for a new post all
> together i suppose.. rise of the modern Army....
>
> On Apr 12, 11:06 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The middle east is a nightmare to say the least. looking over the migration
> > of human population essentially the middle east is essentially the same
> > segment of the human population, whether it is the second or third great
> > migration is of little importance. BUT in my observation each migration has
> > its own sense of morality all though there is common parts they are not the
> > same view and definitely do not have a common morality.
>
> > Every time  the west or 5th migration intervenes to aid in the affairs of
> > the middle east it degenerates down to tribal factions,  If you intervene
> >  you are condemned ..  and it seems the west only intervenes is either for
> > oil or in the Case of the Bush-Iraq pure ego..  How would you suggest
> > eliminating the made man?
> > Allan
>
> > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > thats what i want to know gabbs, if you dont have power, what can you do?
> > > But i understand a little perhaps what youre saying, this attitude that
> > > promotes statuse quo , that those who do will always do.... thats why i
> > > want the neighbor countries to take part in the intervention... well.. at
> > > least we have a ceasefire now.. dont know where it'll go from there...
>
> > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:49 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> I am sorry that I was replying to how you said it rather that what you
> > >> said. In fact I was interested in just that, in how it works. - In order to
> > >> escape the apathy of knowing it's always those with the economical and
> > >> military power who do what they always do. - I did not succeed, I need to
> > >> find another way to make peace with myself.
>
> > >> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > >>> Ok... i thought i did... at one point.. but i dont get what youre
> > >>> saying....sorry... although i must say i am in love with how you use
> > >>> words....... anyways.. i am guessing you didnt like my style... youre
> > >>> right.. i don blame you.. the end part does seem stupid... honesty can seem
> > >>> dumb if not adjusted correctly... all i am trying to say is.. i am just
> > >>> trying to figure out the attitude towards Syria.. of other nations.. and at
> > >>> the same time... wondering of how things might end... or how prolonged the
> > >>> conflict will be... and that it worries me if there is no intervention... i
> > >>> also wanted to know what others thought about it....
>
> > >>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Poly. Let me explain how
> > >>>> your thoughts come across here on my side. The first thing that strikes me
> > >>>> as strange is the politically correct formulation of feelings about an
> > >>>> issue of human interest. I see citizens arguing for the health benefits of
> > >>>> the salad in their bowl while expanding in size over their fried meat side
> > >>>> from the fondue pot. Which then makes me stumble over your desire to share
> > >>>> your concern with us guys. Why don't you just say what you want and let me
> > >>>> pick my salad pieces in the order I like them best? Your share makes me
> > >>>> think of an invitation to divide and impera on over-fertilized ground ...
> > >>>> need to stop here ... need to go out now while it's not raining yet.
>
> > >>>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:11 AM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > >>>>> Now i know plenty is being said about the situation in Syria.. but i
> > >>>>> am really bothered because it seems we're stuck in a loop.... this is
> > >>>>> reminding me of the time of American occupation in Iraq.. whenever you
> > >>>>> switched the news on there would report of some bombing or explosion
> > >>>>> in Baghdad or elsewhere, likewise now... you switch on the news
> > >>>>> anytime there will definitely be something on the shelling in Homs or
> > >>>>> somewhere else.. what is disturbing is that though the images of gore
> > >>>>> reach us pretty quickly .. there is minimal news on the efforts by any
> > >>>>> big states , through the UN or otherwise.. its only the one percent
> > >>>>> that gets to the world i suppose..i guess you cant really imagine the
> > >>>>> real situation there.. now i am not commenting on the politics ,
> > >>>>> because i feel you can seriously talk and talk.. all that should be
> > >>>>> left for later... What i dont understand is that there is no active
> > >>>>> intervention even by the neighboring countries.. surely they cant
> > >>>>> support Assad.!. i get most of the countries are perhaps dealing with
> > >>>>> their own.. but you cant help but sense some apathy towards the whole
> > >>>>> thing.Also its understandable that one might be wary of supporting
> > >>>>> rebels or any ideology, but it is clear now that the Syrian government
> > >>>>> is bent on exterminating half of its population..there is no reason to
> > >>>>> withhold active intervention.. and yes i mean a military one..It is
> > >>>>> clear as daylight Assad is killing his own people....is the security
> > >>>>> council just a fancy name or what   ..I dont know what the purpose of
> > >>>>> this piece was.. And i feel it would be hypocritical to say much as i
> > >>>>> have no idea of whats actually going on there.. but i am just
> > >>>>> concerned and i am posting it here to share with you guys..cos well ..
> > >>>>> thats what we do.. what do you think guys...
>
> > >>> --
> > >>> EverComing
>
> > > --
> > > EverComing
>
> > --
> >  (
> >   )
> > |_D Allan
>

> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text -
>
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Mind's Eye new idea

Vam made a post on Google Plus   and it was an invitation to Zurkers..

I have never been a big fan of face book or Google + ..  and I am hoping this will be different,, and is owned by the users which I think is a good idea.. right now it is in a Beta testing phase and the only way you can join is by invitation,,,  so I am sending every one an invitation via this link     http://www.zurker.eu/i-27144-ixigwtsjdf  As I know I am bending the rules beyond the breaking point it will not be repeated.. I hope to see you there

Allan

Mods..  I think this actually good has potential and possible a second meeting ground.     I will not repeat the message on the group and if anyone wants a or loses this invite they can get it be contacting me..

Allan

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Re: Mind's Eye Some Education

Rigsy what riots? What bombers? Europe is safer than the states.  I will write you a better message when I get on my computer, right now I am jaunty phone
Allan

On Apr 28, 2012 4:53 PM, "rigsy03" <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:

I was thinking of hitting the Netherland coffee shops before they are
forbidden to non-citizens...or could you lend out your membership
card? :-)//Seriously, I will see how it goes tomorrow with an old
friend. He would be great fun to travel with IF this were "the best of
all possible worlds" but what do I read and hear everyday? Riots,
suicide bombers, pirates, sinking or stinking cruise ships, no smoking
rules, bed-bugs, etc.

On Apr 24, 1:17 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Malta   well it is an extremely dedicate tourist destination,, and
> extremely safe  it is my favorite destination..  all though there are
> many..  Don't put it off or you will never get there,,  Rigsy get
> your passport and book your flight
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:17 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Don't tempt me! :-) //I was thinking yesterday that there are likely
> > many Europeans that became permanent in the Middle East due to the
> > Crusades and just dissolved into the population over the centuries-
> > maybe those left behind after the defeats or those who were kidnapped
> > as slaves by the Muslims.//Anyway, the irony of middle class security
> > is that it is also a complicated trap.
>
> > On Apr 22, 1:30 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Rigsy   Pack up your bag and head off to Malta for a couple of months or
> > > so,,  so good old fashion sight seeing.. they have an interesting history
> > > even more interesting in person..
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 2:38 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > The Maltese Cross is associated with the Knights of St. John, Allan-
> > > > also Hospitaliers. Yes, the eight points denote virtues. The Knights
> > > > Templar are associated with the island of Cyprus and their cross is
> > > > different. Not sure about the Teutonic Knights in current terms nor
> > > > the Knights of Columbus for that matter. It's a complicated subject
> > > > and I remember what a struggle it was to read Eco's "Foucault's
> > > > Pendulum" when it came out and may have given up and hauled it back to
> > > > the library- anyway, he claims his theory was a spoof.
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 8:41 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > No it was not a clever pun  just my poor spelling    but it was the
> > best
> > > > i
> > > > > could do to get the idea across;;   now the Knights Templar  seems
> > to me
> > > > > was a medieval group  back from the crusades ..  actually they (the
> > > > > original still exist) ended up in Malta and it is something that you
> > can
> > > > > not join  but have to be asked..   Money helps  but it is in what you
> > > > have
> > > > > to offer as it in reality is a huge charity originally it came from
> > the
> > > > > original knights templar    and it is strikingly an honorary thing
> > and
> > > > you
> > > > > better be able to lay out the big bucks and be willing not to get
> > > > credit..
> > > > > and there is also the code  you must follow in your daily life..  the
> > > > > points of the Maltese cross..  interesting organization.. (yes i do
> > know
> > > > > some people who are members but i do not know them personally (the
> > royal
> > > > > family of the Netherlands are members))
> > > > > Don't be fooled by the 'want to be.'
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:00 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > And here I thought you had made a very clever pun! :-) I do
> > remember
> > > > > > you explained your spelling- but it has not been a problem for
> > me.//I
> > > > > > can't understand the Knights Templar becoming a template for
> > Breivik
> > > > > > except for the Crusades- I suppose it depends on how you have read
> > > > > > their history- great wealth betrayed by the French king and
> > Pope.//I
> > > > > > have seen a good deal of hypocrisy in the Liberals between their
> > > > > > personal and public positions so I am wary, perhaps. I think that
> > > > > > humans are still nomadic- chasing moolah instead of the moo's of
> > their
> > > > > > herds- but this is intensified by wars, economic imbalances and
> > > > > > distribution of power/freedom.
>
> > > > > > On Apr 19, 9:03 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > You are right Rigsy  it is medieval  just could not find it in
> > the
> > > > spell
> > > > > > > checker  (not very bright huh) as for Breivik I think he is
> > creating
> > > > > > > a fantasy..  though I know of that ate very much against the
> > > > > > > muslim influnce   they are not secret organizations,  but here
> > in the
> > > > > > > Netherlands a political party..  and they are very vocal.. and
> > the
> > > > > > feelings
> > > > > > > are quite wide spread..
>
> > > > > > > I can not help but think that Breivik  is trying to be another
> > Hitler
> > > > > > > instead of the Jews being the focal point it is Muslims he is
> > trying
> > > > to
> > > > > > > work up the anti - what ever sentiment to stir up trouble and get
> > > > people
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > follow him blindly..   but I do not think he as as bright  as he
> > see
> > > > > > > himself as.
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:17 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > It was laws that we really owe to Babylon and the eastern trade
> > > > routes
> > > > > > > > plus the East was able to save knowledge resources during the
> > Dark
> > > > > > > > Ages after the barbarian invasions. Their conquest was swift
> > and
> > > > > > > > brutal of the West though defeated and pushed back and it's
> > > > pay-back
> > > > > > > > for that and the Crusades. BenLadin=the new Saladin?
>
> > > > > > > > You say mid-evil and I say Medieval...? The present
> > international
> > > > > > > > banking system is beholden to the Knights Templar system. I
> > heard
> > > > KT
> > > > > > > > mentioned re Anders Breivik just yesterday but presume it has
> > to do
> > > > > > > > with his anti-Islam "mission".
>
> > > > > > > > Our alphabet also evolved from the East- math and language
> > being a
> > > > > > > > necessity of trade.
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 1:50 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I watched a program  on the mid evil mind and how they view
> > > > things..
> > > > > >  one
> > > > > > > > > of the things that was looked at education and part of it
> > > > involved
> > > > > > islam
> > > > > > > > ,,
> > > > > > > > >  I always knew that number system was arabic in origin what i
> > > > found
> > > > > > > > > interesting is their interest in the ancient philosophers and
> > > > > > mathematics
> > > > > > > > > as well as other sciences,, but they did not give much
> > detail on
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > end..
>
> > > > > > > > > My question is what happened to islam that it stopped its
> > > > interest
> > > > > > > > science
> > > > > > > > > and mathematics is one of the truly pure sciences it seems
> > all
> > > > that
> > > > > > islam
> > > > > > > > > It seems there is no interest in harmony and co-existence is
> > > > > > interested
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > is murder and forcing people to live their set of rules which
> > > > > > > > > is contrary to western law.
> > > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > The education system has become a means of sorting out the
> > > > > > population
> > > > > > > > > > and not necessarily a government scam anymore than one that
> > > > eases
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > selections of politics, business, society and so on. It was
> > > > > > probably
> > > > > > > > > > tidier in the Middle Ages with an overall system of belief
> > and
> > > > > > > > > > practice.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 10:36 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm struck that universal education has failed us.  I'd
> > go
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > deschooling and have education after 14 voluntary and
> > much
> > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > related to practice (not necessarily work).  Current
> > > > university
> > > > > > > > > > > programmes should be available on television and
> > available
> > > > free
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > Internet supervision from university hubs where academics
> > > > work
> > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > > > community and social and sports events are also civic
> > rather
> > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > > separated as now.  Education is currently a government
> > scam
> > > > and
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > export scam.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 3:23 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > I oscillate between visionary and lunatic fringe. If
> > one
> > > > liners
> > > > > > > > paid
> > > > > > > > > > > > the bills I'd be a millionaire, the exercise comes in
> > the
> > > > > > > > unpacking so
> > > > > > > > > > > > a wee bit of sarcasm may be in order. Thanks Vam  ;-)
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/15/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Facebook has "Like", Twitter would allow "Retweet",
> > and I
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > re-pin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on Pinterest ...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's say, I am doing all three now !
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 8:57 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is helpful to have an idea of process and
> > structure
> > > > and
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> me you are both talking about a
> > qualitative/individual
> > > > > > aspect to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> education. This is an important focus, I think all
> > else
> > > > > > follows
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> the challenges to success to the contributions to
> > > > society-
> > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > > last
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> ounce of potential is in the individual. All else is
> > > > > > logistics
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> scale, systematization, and mechanization.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 4/14/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Good. But my response has nothing to do eastern or
> > > > western
> > > > > > > > > > anything.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > It's me. I regard any education as nothing if not
> > > > leading
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > evolution of something within me which gives a me
> > > > > > perspective
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > world
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > and life, a values system I can touch to know
> > what the
> > > > > > thing
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > matter
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > before me means, to me.
>
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You have me there Rigsy I really don't as I don't use. Wife said it.us a passport thing even as we speak. It is a new law and all ready in effect.

They don't mind citizen using but others including Europeans are no longer included.

I can even grow 5 plants for my own use no problem. My residency is to precious to risk. But I will look into it for you

Come anyway
Allan

On Apr 28, 2012 4:53 PM, "rigsy03" <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:

I was thinking of hitting the Netherland coffee shops before they are
forbidden to non-citizens...or could you lend out your membership
card? :-)//Seriously, I will see how it goes tomorrow with an old
friend. He would be great fun to travel with IF this were "the best of
all possible worlds" but what do I read and hear everyday? Riots,
suicide bombers, pirates, sinking or stinking cruise ships, no smoking
rules, bed-bugs, etc.

On Apr 24, 1:17 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Malta   well it is an extremely dedicate tourist destination,, and
> extremely safe  it is my favorite destination..  all though there are
> many..  Don't put it off or you will never get there,,  Rigsy get
> your passport and book your flight
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:17 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Don't tempt me! :-) //I was thinking yesterday that there are likely
> > many Europeans that became permanent in the Middle East due to the
> > Crusades and just dissolved into the population over the centuries-
> > maybe those left behind after the defeats or those who were kidnapped
> > as slaves by the Muslims.//Anyway, the irony of middle class security
> > is that it is also a complicated trap.
>
> > On Apr 22, 1:30 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Rigsy   Pack up your bag and head off to Malta for a couple of months or
> > > so,,  so good old fashion sight seeing.. they have an interesting history
> > > even more interesting in person..
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 2:38 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > The Maltese Cross is associated with the Knights of St. John, Allan-
> > > > also Hospitaliers. Yes, the eight points denote virtues. The Knights
> > > > Templar are associated with the island of Cyprus and their cross is
> > > > different. Not sure about the Teutonic Knights in current terms nor
> > > > the Knights of Columbus for that matter. It's a complicated subject
> > > > and I remember what a struggle it was to read Eco's "Foucault's
> > > > Pendulum" when it came out and may have given up and hauled it back to
> > > > the library- anyway, he claims his theory was a spoof.
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 8:41 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > No it was not a clever pun  just my poor spelling    but it was the
> > best
> > > > i
> > > > > could do to get the idea across;;   now the Knights Templar  seems
> > to me
> > > > > was a medieval group  back from the crusades ..  actually they (the
> > > > > original still exist) ended up in Malta and it is something that you
> > can
> > > > > not join  but have to be asked..   Money helps  but it is in what you
> > > > have
> > > > > to offer as it in reality is a huge charity originally it came from
> > the
> > > > > original knights templar    and it is strikingly an honorary thing
> > and
> > > > you
> > > > > better be able to lay out the big bucks and be willing not to get
> > > > credit..
> > > > > and there is also the code  you must follow in your daily life..  the
> > > > > points of the Maltese cross..  interesting organization.. (yes i do
> > know
> > > > > some people who are members but i do not know them personally (the
> > royal
> > > > > family of the Netherlands are members))
> > > > > Don't be fooled by the 'want to be.'
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:00 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > And here I thought you had made a very clever pun! :-) I do
> > remember
> > > > > > you explained your spelling- but it has not been a problem for
> > me.//I
> > > > > > can't understand the Knights Templar becoming a template for
> > Breivik
> > > > > > except for the Crusades- I suppose it depends on how you have read
> > > > > > their history- great wealth betrayed by the French king and
> > Pope.//I
> > > > > > have seen a good deal of hypocrisy in the Liberals between their
> > > > > > personal and public positions so I am wary, perhaps. I think that
> > > > > > humans are still nomadic- chasing moolah instead of the moo's of
> > their
> > > > > > herds- but this is intensified by wars, economic imbalances and
> > > > > > distribution of power/freedom.
>
> > > > > > On Apr 19, 9:03 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > You are right Rigsy  it is medieval  just could not find it in
> > the
> > > > spell
> > > > > > > checker  (not very bright huh) as for Breivik I think he is
> > creating
> > > > > > > a fantasy..  though I know of that ate very much against the
> > > > > > > muslim influnce   they are not secret organizations,  but here
> > in the
> > > > > > > Netherlands a political party..  and they are very vocal.. and
> > the
> > > > > > feelings
> > > > > > > are quite wide spread..
>
> > > > > > > I can not help but think that Breivik  is trying to be another
> > Hitler
> > > > > > > instead of the Jews being the focal point it is Muslims he is
> > trying
> > > > to
> > > > > > > work up the anti - what ever sentiment to stir up trouble and get
> > > > people
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > follow him blindly..   but I do not think he as as bright  as he
> > see
> > > > > > > himself as.
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:17 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > It was laws that we really owe to Babylon and the eastern trade
> > > > routes
> > > > > > > > plus the East was able to save knowledge resources during the
> > Dark
> > > > > > > > Ages after the barbarian invasions. Their conquest was swift
> > and
> > > > > > > > brutal of the West though defeated and pushed back and it's
> > > > pay-back
> > > > > > > > for that and the Crusades. BenLadin=the new Saladin?
>
> > > > > > > > You say mid-evil and I say Medieval...? The present
> > international
> > > > > > > > banking system is beholden to the Knights Templar system. I
> > heard
> > > > KT
> > > > > > > > mentioned re Anders Breivik just yesterday but presume it has
> > to do
> > > > > > > > with his anti-Islam "mission".
>
> > > > > > > > Our alphabet also evolved from the East- math and language
> > being a
> > > > > > > > necessity of trade.
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 1:50 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I watched a program  on the mid evil mind and how they view
> > > > things..
> > > > > >  one
> > > > > > > > > of the things that was looked at education and part of it
> > > > involved
> > > > > > islam
> > > > > > > > ,,
> > > > > > > > >  I always knew that number system was arabic in origin what i
> > > > found
> > > > > > > > > interesting is their interest in the ancient philosophers and
> > > > > > mathematics
> > > > > > > > > as well as other sciences,, but they did not give much
> > detail on
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > end..
>
> > > > > > > > > My question is what happened to islam that it stopped its
> > > > interest
> > > > > > > > science
> > > > > > > > > and mathematics is one of the truly pure sciences it seems
> > all
> > > > that
> > > > > > islam
> > > > > > > > > It seems there is no interest in harmony and co-existence is
> > > > > > interested
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > is murder and forcing people to live their set of rules which
> > > > > > > > > is contrary to western law.
> > > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > The education system has become a means of sorting out the
> > > > > > population
> > > > > > > > > > and not necessarily a government scam anymore than one that
> > > > eases
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > selections of politics, business, society and so on. It was
> > > > > > probably
> > > > > > > > > > tidier in the Middle Ages with an overall system of belief
> > and
> > > > > > > > > > practice.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 10:36 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm struck that universal education has failed us.  I'd
> > go
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > deschooling and have education after 14 voluntary and
> > much
> > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > related to practice (not necessarily work).  Current
> > > > university
> > > > > > > > > > > programmes should be available on television and
> > available
> > > > free
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > Internet supervision from university hubs where academics
> > > > work
> > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > > > community and social and sports events are also civic
> > rather
> > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > > separated as now.  Education is currently a government
> > scam
> > > > and
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > export scam.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 3:23 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > I oscillate between visionary and lunatic fringe. If
> > one
> > > > liners
> > > > > > > > paid
> > > > > > > > > > > > the bills I'd be a millionaire, the exercise comes in
> > the
> > > > > > > > unpacking so
> > > > > > > > > > > > a wee bit of sarcasm may be in order. Thanks Vam  ;-)
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/15/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Facebook has "Like", Twitter would allow "Retweet",
> > and I
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > re-pin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on Pinterest ...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's say, I am doing all three now !
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 8:57 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is helpful to have an idea of process and
> > structure
> > > > and
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> me you are both talking about a
> > qualitative/individual
> > > > > > aspect to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> education. This is an important focus, I think all
> > else
> > > > > > follows
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> the challenges to success to the contributions to
> > > > society-
> > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > > last
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> ounce of potential is in the individual. All else is
> > > > > > logistics
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> scale, systematization, and mechanization.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 4/14/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Good. But my response has nothing to do eastern or
> > > > western
> > > > > > > > > > anything.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > It's me. I regard any education as nothing if not
> > > > leading
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > evolution of something within me which gives a me
> > > > > > perspective
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > world
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > and life, a values system I can touch to know
> > what the
> > > > > > thing
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > matter
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > before me means, to me.
>
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I was thinking of hitting the Netherland coffee shops before they are
forbidden to non-citizens...or could you lend out your membership
card? :-)//Seriously, I will see how it goes tomorrow with an old
friend. He would be great fun to travel with IF this were "the best of
all possible worlds" but what do I read and hear everyday? Riots,
suicide bombers, pirates, sinking or stinking cruise ships, no smoking
rules, bed-bugs, etc.

On Apr 24, 1:17 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Malta   well it is an extremely dedicate tourist destination,, and
> extremely safe  it is my favorite destination..  all though there are
> many..  Don't put it off or you will never get there,,  Rigsy get
> your passport and book your flight
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:17 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Don't tempt me! :-) //I was thinking yesterday that there are likely
> > many Europeans that became permanent in the Middle East due to the
> > Crusades and just dissolved into the population over the centuries-
> > maybe those left behind after the defeats or those who were kidnapped
> > as slaves by the Muslims.//Anyway, the irony of middle class security
> > is that it is also a complicated trap.
>
> > On Apr 22, 1:30 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Rigsy   Pack up your bag and head off to Malta for a couple of months or
> > > so,,  so good old fashion sight seeing.. they have an interesting history
> > > even more interesting in person..
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 2:38 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > The Maltese Cross is associated with the Knights of St. John, Allan-
> > > > also Hospitaliers. Yes, the eight points denote virtues. The Knights
> > > > Templar are associated with the island of Cyprus and their cross is
> > > > different. Not sure about the Teutonic Knights in current terms nor
> > > > the Knights of Columbus for that matter. It's a complicated subject
> > > > and I remember what a struggle it was to read Eco's "Foucault's
> > > > Pendulum" when it came out and may have given up and hauled it back to
> > > > the library- anyway, he claims his theory was a spoof.
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 8:41 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > No it was not a clever pun  just my poor spelling    but it was the
> > best
> > > > i
> > > > > could do to get the idea across;;   now the Knights Templar  seems
> > to me
> > > > > was a medieval group  back from the crusades ..  actually they (the
> > > > > original still exist) ended up in Malta and it is something that you
> > can
> > > > > not join  but have to be asked..   Money helps  but it is in what you
> > > > have
> > > > > to offer as it in reality is a huge charity originally it came from
> > the
> > > > > original knights templar    and it is strikingly an honorary thing
> > and
> > > > you
> > > > > better be able to lay out the big bucks and be willing not to get
> > > > credit..
> > > > > and there is also the code  you must follow in your daily life..  the
> > > > > points of the Maltese cross..  interesting organization.. (yes i do
> > know
> > > > > some people who are members but i do not know them personally (the
> > royal
> > > > > family of the Netherlands are members))
> > > > > Don't be fooled by the 'want to be.'
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:00 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > And here I thought you had made a very clever pun! :-) I do
> > remember
> > > > > > you explained your spelling- but it has not been a problem for
> > me.//I
> > > > > > can't understand the Knights Templar becoming a template for
> > Breivik
> > > > > > except for the Crusades- I suppose it depends on how you have read
> > > > > > their history- great wealth betrayed by the French king and
> > Pope.//I
> > > > > > have seen a good deal of hypocrisy in the Liberals between their
> > > > > > personal and public positions so I am wary, perhaps. I think that
> > > > > > humans are still nomadic- chasing moolah instead of the moo's of
> > their
> > > > > > herds- but this is intensified by wars, economic imbalances and
> > > > > > distribution of power/freedom.
>
> > > > > > On Apr 19, 9:03 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > You are right Rigsy  it is medieval  just could not find it in
> > the
> > > > spell
> > > > > > > checker  (not very bright huh) as for Breivik I think he is
> > creating
> > > > > > > a fantasy..  though I know of that ate very much against the
> > > > > > > muslim influnce   they are not secret organizations,  but here
> > in the
> > > > > > > Netherlands a political party..  and they are very vocal.. and
> > the
> > > > > > feelings
> > > > > > > are quite wide spread..
>
> > > > > > > I can not help but think that Breivik  is trying to be another
> > Hitler
> > > > > > > instead of the Jews being the focal point it is Muslims he is
> > trying
> > > > to
> > > > > > > work up the anti - what ever sentiment to stir up trouble and get
> > > > people
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > follow him blindly..   but I do not think he as as bright  as he
> > see
> > > > > > > himself as.
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:17 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > It was laws that we really owe to Babylon and the eastern trade
> > > > routes
> > > > > > > > plus the East was able to save knowledge resources during the
> > Dark
> > > > > > > > Ages after the barbarian invasions. Their conquest was swift
> > and
> > > > > > > > brutal of the West though defeated and pushed back and it's
> > > > pay-back
> > > > > > > > for that and the Crusades. BenLadin=the new Saladin?
>
> > > > > > > > You say mid-evil and I say Medieval...? The present
> > international
> > > > > > > > banking system is beholden to the Knights Templar system. I
> > heard
> > > > KT
> > > > > > > > mentioned re Anders Breivik just yesterday but presume it has
> > to do
> > > > > > > > with his anti-Islam "mission".
>
> > > > > > > > Our alphabet also evolved from the East- math and language
> > being a
> > > > > > > > necessity of trade.
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 1:50 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I watched a program  on the mid evil mind and how they view
> > > > things..
> > > > > >  one
> > > > > > > > > of the things that was looked at education and part of it
> > > > involved
> > > > > > islam
> > > > > > > > ,,
> > > > > > > > >  I always knew that number system was arabic in origin what i
> > > > found
> > > > > > > > > interesting is their interest in the ancient philosophers and
> > > > > > mathematics
> > > > > > > > > as well as other sciences,, but they did not give much
> > detail on
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > end..
>
> > > > > > > > > My question is what happened to islam that it stopped its
> > > > interest
> > > > > > > > science
> > > > > > > > > and mathematics is one of the truly pure sciences it seems
> > all
> > > > that
> > > > > > islam
> > > > > > > > > It seems there is no interest in harmony and co-existence is
> > > > > > interested
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > is murder and forcing people to live their set of rules which
> > > > > > > > > is contrary to western law.
> > > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > The education system has become a means of sorting out the
> > > > > > population
> > > > > > > > > > and not necessarily a government scam anymore than one that
> > > > eases
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > selections of politics, business, society and so on. It was
> > > > > > probably
> > > > > > > > > > tidier in the Middle Ages with an overall system of belief
> > and
> > > > > > > > > > practice.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 10:36 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm struck that universal education has failed us.  I'd
> > go
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > deschooling and have education after 14 voluntary and
> > much
> > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > related to practice (not necessarily work).  Current
> > > > university
> > > > > > > > > > > programmes should be available on television and
> > available
> > > > free
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > Internet supervision from university hubs where academics
> > > > work
> > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > > > community and social and sports events are also civic
> > rather
> > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > > separated as now.  Education is currently a government
> > scam
> > > > and
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > export scam.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 3:23 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > I oscillate between visionary and lunatic fringe. If
> > one
> > > > liners
> > > > > > > > paid
> > > > > > > > > > > > the bills I'd be a millionaire, the exercise comes in
> > the
> > > > > > > > unpacking so
> > > > > > > > > > > > a wee bit of sarcasm may be in order. Thanks Vam  ;-)
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/15/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Facebook has "Like", Twitter would allow "Retweet",
> > and I
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > re-pin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on Pinterest ...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's say, I am doing all three now !
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 8:57 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is helpful to have an idea of process and
> > structure
> > > > and
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> me you are both talking about a
> > qualitative/individual
> > > > > > aspect to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> education. This is an important focus, I think all
> > else
> > > > > > follows
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> the challenges to success to the contributions to
> > > > society-
> > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > > last
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> ounce of potential is in the individual. All else is
> > > > > > logistics
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> scale, systematization, and mechanization.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 4/14/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Good. But my response has nothing to do eastern or
> > > > western
> > > > > > > > > > anything.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > It's me. I regard any education as nothing if not
> > > > leading
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > evolution of something within me which gives a me
> > > > > > perspective
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > world
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > and life, a values system I can touch to know
> > what the
> > > > > > thing
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > matter
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > before me means, to me.
>
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Mind's Eye Re: Some Education

One problem is a system designed for the masses- one size fits all,
unrealistic expectations, success myths, etc. Sometimes the "school of
hard knocks" is the real diploma in life because it is not theoretical
but very real- if you want to acknowledge reality, that is. Recently,
there was a blurb somewhere about an exchange between Rousseau and
Voltaire: R- Life can be hard. V- And the alternative is? Am rereading
"Candide" as a detour presently- it still zings!//Anyway, what
benefits rural children unless they give up for the lure of cities?
Math and reading, computer skills/commodity markets, health and
homemaking education including safe water and pesticides, etc., family
planning, challenges to legal and religious ignorance and violence, a
roomy space for expression in the various arts. One might stress the
comfort of being an individual in a small community versus invisible
city dwellers. All of the above, presented in an age appropriate
manner, of course.

On Apr 12, 9:43 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Recently, i was part of some filed work in a village ... we were
> looking into primary education there.... well.. while doing the
> report.. i thought i couldnt really understand education.. clearly
> what works for the city kids wouldnt work for those in the rural
> side..most of them do think theyre wasting their time...teachers hate
> the kids kids hate the teachers..everyone is bitching... the situation
> is pretty bad.. those who can do get out.. actually primary education
> in my country is pretty beat up... now in know most of you are from
> the 'West'.. Sounds weird when i say it like that.. we're frequently
> told that primary education in the west is quite o.k. .... in fact
> good.. What do you guys think?.. Also... how do you define
> education..i almost hate the term by now.. get to hear it so much with
> people having no idea of what they mean.... what do you think..?

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Re: Fwd: Honoring Bhutanese Singers,musician and composers.

Good deeds r always praiseworthy.Likewise, it is good news for everybody that Minnesotans Bhutanese Community is honoring our Bhutanese Artists which is the best way of giving motivation and inspiration to do better in the days to come.Best of luck minnesotans.Thanks manoj da for  remembering me too.Da i m in Richmond ,virginia.                                                                                        

                                  THANKS                                                                                                                                                                                                          Kanchhi Maya Subba
my cell no. 804 332 7069

From: manoj rai <manojrai_1979@yahoo.co.in>
To: "bhutanese-artists@googlegroups.com" <bhutanese-artists@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Honoring Bhutanese Singers,musician and composers.

amber subba-  I don't no the number and state if some body help

kanchi Maya subba-   -do-

thanks

Manoj Rai

Florida

From: kishor vardhoj <kishor_vardhoj@yahoo.com>
To: "bhutanese-artists@googlegroups.com" <bhutanese-artists@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Honoring Bhutanese Singers,musician and composers.

Thanks for Minnesotans Bhutanese Community for good idea of honoring Bhutanese Artist. I have few names that I can share with you.

Suraj Rai,

Washington, phone number is 2064190535

 

Hari Powdel

Michigan, Phone Number-5178944239

 

Mahesh Thulung

Atlanta Phone -4047496268

 

Damber Khapung

North Dakota, Phone -7019361538

 

Govinda Phuyel

Kentucky Phone-5022966750

 

Arjun Rasaily

Texas Phone -3255142834

 

Kishor Siwakoti

 

 

From: RAM GURUNG <ramgurung2009@gmail.com>
To: bhutanese-artists@googlegroups.com; bhutaneseartistsofgeorgia@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:54 PM
Subject: Fwd: Honoring Bhutanese Singers,musician and composers.

Dear Friends,

Namaste to all of you. Mr. Tilak Pakwal from Bhutanese Minnesotans called me this evening and stated about the forth coming program which is going to be held in Minnesota on July 7, 2012. According to the conversation, Mr. Pakwal clearly mentioned about the concept of discovering and honoring the Bhutanese artists recognizing their contributions towards to the society and the nation which I felt is a great step to motivate our artists to continue involve in the art of creation. Therefore, I forward this email and please respond  at the earliest. I myself may not be able to collect all the complete data of recorded albums and the artists so please do write about you and about any one whom you know who has published albums from our community. I humbly request to write your contact information also so that you can be easily reached. You may contact directly Mr. Tilak Pokwal in 671-621-9019 about your queries.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Ram Gurung

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: tilak pakwal <pokwaltilak@yahoo.co.in> Date: Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:56 PM Subject: Honoring Bhutanese Singers,musician and composers. To: ramgurung2009@gmail.com

Dear Bhutanese Artists[Singers, Musician and Composers] This mail is all the way from Minnesota. I  Tilak Pokwal writing this mail on behalf of all the Bhutanese Minnesotans.  In the recent meeting of our community, we have brought an idea to HONOR our Respected Bhutanese artist who has with all their dedication, hard work, talent/ skills what not, have produced Cassette and have presented beautiful songs to our people. We felt that their talents were always been limited among certain friends and relatives and hardly to any one else because Our people are accustomed with foreign singers and never felt promoting our owns. There might have been made some attempts to organized such program but could not happen. Therefore, We thought, Why not? we discover our Heros and Heroins to introduce and explore their magic over the states while honoring them?? With this concept, we have made a decision to hold a program on July 7th,2012. [i.e on saturday] and it would be absolutely Our Bhutanese Singers, musician and composers, where each artist will be presenting their best songs [at least two] that is what we aspect. And to add some chemistry, we have talented dancers performing. Our dear friend Ram Gurung will be co-ordinating us to provide with Phone numbers and names of our talents. I am looking forward to get by the end of this week. Thank you Ram ji, for assuring me your support, i truly appreciate. Let's make this year as Bhutanese Artist's year all over the state. Tilak Pokwal. Note: This Honoring program has absolutely NO political back hand. Our music hunters and lovely people of Minnesota wants to bridge the gap between Artist and Artist lover and to promote their talent.