Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: faster than light neutrinos

I do not think time travel is putting it correctly.  what I think they are really saying is that there are laws beyond those that we know and understand today,,  they went to  extreme measures to verify the measurements Like  actually measure the speed of light to with in 18 cm to make sure the calculations were correct.  like stopping the traffic though the trans alps tunnel so it would not interfere with measurements..

I have known for many years that in the spiritual world that when you think you know it all there is more,,  wonder what the new models will look like ,, any ideas Pat?

Allan

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

The problems are discussed in the link video.  My world without data
is created by everything being skewed for instant reception.  My
question is why we never put the effort of science into social
questioning.  These hard yards are always evaded.
The most fascinating issue in the neutrino experiment is they may have
found the tachyon and this would open up the possibility of
information time travel and confirm very weird mass.

On Oct 3, 11:38 pm, Allan Heretic <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi Pat the measurements were within 18 inches..   they did a lot to
> verify the distance traveled..  it is just some particals are arriving
> sooner than they should.
> Allan
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> > >http://www.universetoday.com/89407/particle-physics-and-faster-than-l...
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> > > This link has a video with the best clarification I've heard.  One or
> > > two might be interested.
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> > > One idea I do like is that of neutrinos 'seeing' a different
> > > geometry.  There are geometries in which distance is illusory. Knowing
> > > all this I'll still be taking the train into town.  People at
> > > Manchester 1864 don't think the results will hold, but are spinning
> > > some examples of what would make sense assuming they are right.  I
> > > always feel a bit of sadness when amongst scientists these days - it's
> > > to do with how different the world of sane dialogue is compared with
> > > everyday dross in which evidence is barely understood and reality
> > > denied in favour of Idols.
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> > > I've become a fan of Rosanne Barr's candidature for President.  Never
> > > liked her show.  Neutrinos probably won't do much to Einstein's
> > > stuff.  Quite why economic data hasn't got us thinking in more
> > > primitive terms like hers I don't understand.  This is where the
> > > detail and supposed links with theory drives me.  We remain medieval
> > > in all except science.  Scientists do not proceed in very rational
> > > ways and it seems odd to me we abstract a false notion of this into
> > > our more social affairs.  The model of non-science "science" in
> > > politics and journalism needs to be eradicated so that values,passion,
> > > humour and compassion can flow without being shunned as
> > > 'emotionalism'.  Tiny, abberant 'neutrinos' that might be tachyons
> > > (with strange mass) can influence scientific thinking,yet years of
> > > super-rich looting, war and more and more of our own in poverty hardly
> > > cut muster amongst those in power.  I find this intolerable.  It's
> > > like living in a world without data.
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> > There are a couple of factors CERN needs to take into account before
> > they can make any stong claims because the distance involved MUST be
> > within 18 metres and the time within 60 nanoseconds, otherwise they've
> > made a miscalculation. Firstly, were there any earth tremors between
> > the last time they measured the distance and the time of the
> > experiments that may have altered the distance.  Secondly, there is no
> > way to tag a neutrino with a return address,  How do they know for
> > certain that the neutrinos that struck the destination at Gran Sasso
> > were, in fact, from CERN?  Given the background of billions of stars
> > in our galaxy and including all the stars in other galaxies, there is
> > every chance that one of these stars was lined up at just the right
> > time to shoot a stream of neutrinos in just the right direction to
> > land in Gran Sasso.  The fact that all stars can emit neutrinos in any
> > direction at any time makes for countless sources of neutrinos and,
> > with that, countless destinations.  As it is very difficult to stop a
> > neutrino, there is every chance that the neutrinos that landed at Gran
> > Sasso just prior to the expected time, were, in fact, from an
> > unexpected source.  Proving or disproving that is nigh on impossible;
> > so I put very little weight on this seemingly aberrant result,
> > especially as a similar aberrant result happened in the States a few
> > years back and it was discovered that, in truth, a miscalculation had
> > been made by the scientists and the speed of light remained
> > unchallenged.  We'll see.

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