people understand what the current situation is all about. My guess
is that we'll get collapse if we don't do something. and that form of
collapse will hit people with ordinary investment. The interventions
I want to see would protect pension funds and ordinary people from
what's coming. We have a set of people who have already lost
everything from pension-fund looting (they bare their bums on Brighton
beach every year in protest). I think we need a controlled debt
reduction to save our pensions and such and was sure enough to get
everything I could out. Some sad pics there Chris!
The US has just declared currency war on China and it's rumoured
Germany has just ordered Deutsche Mark printing - all of which has
that 1930's touch. When Chris talks of pics of the normal of
Occupation X it strikes me that the same (but metaphorical) trick is
being played in the official 'picture' of economics.I keep hearing
that China is doing really well, yet they have a ten trillion (one
million Euro) local authority debt needing an 80% write off. We need a
leveling and return to capitalism for our protection and under our
democratic control. That is, to save Don's position (writ large)..
On Oct 4, 8:41 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is good to see you again Chris and Don..
>
> I was thinking (I know a rare event) last night only to have the topic
> return this morning..
>
> After watching all the demonstrations some thing emerged that does not make
> sense to me nor do I understand. maybe some one can straighten me out..
>
> He goes: If I invest my money in a company say Sky Cat (I like the idea) I
> am hoping the company will go on to produce me a profit by manufacturing the
> air type craft. They have my money, I have a share of their company
> because they control my money..
>
> Now if I give a "Bank" control of my money they do not in return give me a
> share of their stock like a normal company does.. they invest both their
> money and my money and I have no problem with that,, what I have a problem
> with is the sharing of the profits.. if there is a profit their share of the
> money makes more money than mine,, but if they lose money It is my money
> that is lost not theirs..
>
> Even if I put money in a simple savings account,, it is investing in the
> bank.. and what I am seeing is a group if people who think the laws of
> economics and moral responsibility. If they lose money,, because they are
> the ones in control morally they should be taking the greater share of the
> lose.. and that includes the stock market..
> Allan
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
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>
>
> > Leaving moderation behind has made it feel like a whole new list for me. :D
>
> > I too am worried about undue influence coopting the cause, but I think
> > that's an inevitability of any populist movement. Even the Egyptians are
> > warily eyeing their "liberated" government. I just hope some good is
> > accomplished along the way.
> > On Oct 3, 2011 7:15 PM, "Don Johnson" <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm very glad to see your august presence back amongst these humble
> > boards
> > > Chris.
>
> > > The self portraits of 99%s with notes describing themselves affected me
> > > somewhat. Some are easy to dismiss as whiny but many are obviously
> > feeling
> > > the same pain I see in family and friends around me. It literally puts a
> > > face, many faces actually, on our problems. I'm very glad folks like you
> > are
> > > out there recording these times. I mean that because I see in you someone
> > > without a particular agenda other then improvement. I have never seen you
> > as
> > > someone that ignores or tries to cover up obvious discrepancies in what
> > > politicians say and what they do. I find your support of Ron Paul
> > > refreshing. While I disagree with many of his policies the thing I most
> > > admire about him is his consistency. There are few things our President
> > has
> > > done I approve of but killing terrorists is at the top of the list. Ron
> > is
> > > wrong on this.
>
> > > Now, with the ass kissing portion of my post out of the way, let's get to
> > > the Occupy(pickyourplace) kerfuffle. I made the observation in a post on
> > G+
> > > that this may be one of those times when you see Tea Partiers marching
> > next
> > > to Code Pinkers. Nobody likes corp. welfare and high unemployment except
> > for
> > > the lobbyists and politicians that engineer it. Even they don't like it
> > when
> > > they get caught. On the one hand I'm glad folks are "doing something" but
> > on
> > > the other I'm concerned with what seems to be unions trying to highjack
> > the
> > > movement for their own selfish ends. They are some of the biggest causes
> > of
> > > our current crisis. Just read s story how GM has thousands of Volts
> > sitting
> > > around not getting sold. This is what happens when government builds your
> > > cars or your solar panels. Somebody else always makes them better AND
> > > cheaper. My concern is most of those 'protesting' don't see things quite
> > the
> > > same way I do. Far too many are on the Class Warfare path and this
> > disturbs
> > > me. I have no beef with the rich. In fact, I appreciate that they pay the
> > > most and give the most. I hate favoritism and that is what government
> > > control and the punish/reward aspect of taxation is all about. I hate it.
> > > It's why I like Herman Cain's 'plan' of 9-9-9 better then anything else
> > > anybody has come up with. Getting rid of ALL the loopholes for the very
> > > wealthy would be awesome. It's galling to find out some of the most
> > ardent
> > > celebrity liberal supporters have much of their wealth sheltered from
> > taxes.
> > > Smart but hugely hypocritical. That said the rich aren't the problem, our
> > > screwy tax laws and a political class bent on pork and back scratching
> > and
> > > huge, mind numbing waste are. I agree we need to clean house in
> > Washington
> > > but I fear most of those in the streets would disagree with me who the
> > major
> > > culprits are.
>
> > > As usual, Rigs makes the most sense of all the comments here. While I'm
> > not
> > > a supporter of the status quo exactly I do have a substantial amount of
> > my
> > > retirement in the market and T-bills. The required destruction of our
> > > current system to come up with something more to Archy's taste I'm scared
> > to
> > > death of. That's what crazy people like George Soros want. That's not for
> > > me. A more vigilant FTC and massive simplification of the tax code I
> > would
> > > welcome.
>
> > > Thems my thoughts but I'm keeping an open mind.
>
> > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:42 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Ok, let's settle for rule #10! :)
>
> > >> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Chris Jenkins <
> > digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > >>> Fantastic link, Gabby! I especially like number 10. :D
>
> > >>> No, by normalcy, I meant that the media focus to date has been on the
> > >>> counterculture types mostly, while ignoring those in business casual
> > attire.
> > >>> It makes it easy for the audience at large to be separate from them. I
> > want
> > >>> to show the world how many of their PEERS are there, coworkers,
> > colleagues,
> > >>> classmates...I want them to see that this isn't just some angry washed
> > out
> > >>> hippies, but an actual populist uprising comprised of their friends and
> > >>> neighbors.
>
> > >>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >>>> Ah, Chris, let me make clear that we understand that the "normal"
> > >>>> American media is employing this technique of "creating a sense of
> > >>>> connection" which worries us here across the pond. We therefore
> > >>>> welcome independent views in the U.S. What you'd call "left" is still
> > very
> > >>>> much "right" for our senses. What you call normalcy is what we often
> > >>>> perceive as extremely ignorant.
>
> > >>>> Let me give you an example of how we believe you need to take photos
> > that
> > >>>> deserve the label "independent":
> > >>>>http://www.lomography.com/about/the-ten-golden-rules
>
> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Chris Jenkins <
> > >>>> digitalprecip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>> Danke, Gabby! There's a general sense of marginalization about the
> > >>>>> group, and I'm hoping to capture the normalcy of the
> > protesters...create a
> > >>>>> sense of connection.
> > >>>>> On Oct 3, 2011 11:50 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> > Cheers, Chris! Documenting and sharing what you see as happening is
> > a
> > >>>>> good
> > >>>>> > thing, I find.
>
> > >>>>> > It is very much of THE thing to do today, to gather with people who
> > >>>>> share
> > >>>>> > one's own view to demonstrate one's enlarged physical mass. I don't
> > >>>>> think
> > >>>>> > that it is smarter than finding new ways of fair communication
> > >>>>> beforehand,
> > >>>>> > though.
>
> > >>>>> > But hey, we've had our share of "we are the people" pictures 22
> > years
> > >>>>> ago
> > >>>>> > and we won. Go ahead and do it the American (occupying) Style!
> > Learn
> > >>>>> to take
> > >>>>> > scalps if you must but leave the heads on!
>
> > >>>>> > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Chris Jenkins <
> > >>>>> digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > >>>>> >> So what do you all think of the various regional Occupy groups
> > >>>>> springing up
> > >>>>> >> around the US, emulating OccupyWallStreet? I'm going out to
> > >>>>> OccupyTampa on
> > >>>>> >> Thursday to do some independent media photography, but am curious
> > >>>>> about the
> > >>>>> >> perception of the country and world at large.
>
> --
> (
> )
> |_D Allan
>
> If your life is not going right, try making a left turn
>
> life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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