Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Non-Duality

Orn just as you fail to understand me I fail to understand you , maybe
we are having a communication difficulty.
We have the ability to think and by thinking break down
'the one' into its component parts----Orn

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 2:15 PM, ornamentalmind
<ornsmindseyespam@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Who said we are 'parts of the whole'?
> And, since the Absolute has no components, how can there be 'differing
> images'?
> If 'water in many vessels…' is the ocean then it is accurate to say
> that oil in many vessels, rubber bands in many vessels etc. are the
> ocean too. Water is not an ocean whether encased or not. Water is
> water. Ocean is ocean.
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> On May 25, 11:59 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Instead of considering ourselves to be parts of the Whole , it would
>> be better in my opinion to consider ourselves differing images of the
>> Absolute in vessels of differing make and shape. Water in many vessels
>> of differing sizes and shapes in a ocean is the same , but it is not a
>> part of the ocean --it is actually the ocean. The illusion is the
>> vessel and not the water.
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>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:53 AM, ornamentalmind
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>> <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > While I greatly appreciate emanationism on many levels, to ignore the
>> > consubstantial aspect of 'the many' simply ignores the experience of
>> > many humans. We have the ability to think and by thinking break down
>> > 'the one' into its component parts (as a thought, not an actuality).
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>> >http://www.iep.utm.edu/emanatio/
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>> > On May 25, 8:50 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> If we think that we are part of the " Whole " we are sort of dividing
>> >> up God. He then is no longer an entity but a composite of parts. The
>> >> truth is that we are not parts but emanations which make His existence
>> >> identifiable to our understanding.
>> >> The reflection of the sun is a proof of the sun ;similarly the world
>> >> is a proof of the Self.
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>> >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ash <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > "Our consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed from
>> >> > matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in all that
>> >> > is immortal. "
>> >> > I don't think that this must necessarily be the whole truth. What if one
>> >> > sees that all things are a part of the whole, that is the world and/or
>> >> > nature's way, and we perceive diverse phenomena by our natures inextricably?
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>> >> > I find it interesting that you would say the reflection of the sun in a
>> >> > puddle is not the sun, what else is the sun but the forces of nature which
>> >> > are the same as in the puddle? Our focus may be pointed at a less brilliant
>> >> > and direct portion in comparison to the sun but it is shining through
>> >> > nonetheless in everything if you know how or where to look.
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>> >> > On 5/19/2011 10:04 AM, RP Singh wrote:
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>> >> >> It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of things. The
>> >> >> world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The world changes
>> >> >> over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God remains the
>> >> >> same always and is unborn , primeaval and indestructible--the same
>> >> >> cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I am the One ,
>> >> >> but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you be the " One "
>> >> >> when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. Our
>> >> >> consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed from
>> >> >> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in all
>> >> >> that is immortal.
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>> >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>  wrote:
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>> >> >>> How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to perceive the world
>> >> >>> as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and separate from
>> >> >>> self)?  By definition, this view would remain dualistic. I do think it
>> >> >>> true that how we view the world forms our experience.  From a
>> >> >>> dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong.  From a non dual view,
>> >> >>> all views are the One/many paradox that is One.  How we view (and
>> >> >>> experience) birth and death changes as we change.  From a non dual
>> >> >>> perspective, they are only states of transformation and not a
>> >> >>> beginning or end.
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>> >> >>> On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com>  wrote:
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>> >> >>>> In duality there is the relationship of the observer and the observed
>> >> >>>> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. In Non-Duality
>> >> >>>> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in nature , remains
>> >> >>>> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth and death. God
>> >> >>>> ,Reality or Atman is Non-Dual and duality is just its expression.