understand and for that you need a trained understanding.
Understanding can be trained through years of study and deliberations
and maybe not even then ,in which case you can rely on the words of a
sage in whom you have faith. In any case only a man of faith gains
knowledge because initially you have to have faith in someone or some
scripture , to learn English you have to have faith in your teacher.
Whoever God may be , good morals are a necessity for a virtuous life
and towards that end a person must strive.
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:32 PM, leerevdouglas@googlemail.com
<lee@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> Perhaps Rigsy, I guess that depends on who you want to define the word
> perfect?
>
> I like the idea that perfection meaning nothing else needing changing,
> which means of course perfection is a stagnant thing. As we know
> nowthing stays still all is in flux.
>
> If you belive that the universe is equated with the body of God, then
> it is clear that the universe is always moving, and so in this way we
> can say that at least the body of God is not perfect. Umm perhaps
> then when we say that God is perfect it is purely spirit we talk
> about?
>
> Yes indeed we can attain knowledge without experaince, what worth is
> it though without the experiances? I think the old adage that
> 'practice makes perfect' is very true. Us older people both 'know'
> more about the workings of the world and have the 'expriances' to go
> with the knowledge, this is wounderfull thing yes?
>
> I'm still learning to play the guitar, I have read and am still
> reading many books, tracts, downloaed bits and bobs, but it is the
> practice that will eventualy make me a better guitar player. In a
> very real way the practice or the experiancine of some endevour feeds
> the knowledge of it, the more practical experiances of a sphere of
> knowledge you grab, the better you are able to 'know' it.
>
> Famouse writters when asked how to be a better writter offten simply
> reply 'Just write'
>
> As to why you would paint your roof a diffrant colour, well perhaps
> you got bored with the old one?
>
> I'm curious about many things, I have learnt over the years (through
> experiance) to rein such curisotiy in, or risk my little mind
> explodeing!
>
> On May 25, 2:38 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This would indicate God is imperfect, lee. Even humans can attain
>> knowledge without direct experience.
>>
>> Weren't you curious about why I would paint a roof a different
>> color? :-)
>>
>> On May 24, 10:29 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"
>>
>>
>>
>> <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
>> > I'm reading a book of short stories at the mo, one called The all-at
>> > once man, by R A Lafferty has this concept of before the begining.
>> > Paraphrasing wildly then:
>>
>> > Before the begining was a perfect sphere spinning at a ferocious rate,
>> > it didn't know any of this for there was nothing else by which to
>> > measure such things.
>>
>> > An infantisimal speck appared and the sphere had now had something
>> > with which to relate, to measure it's own existance and dimenseons and
>> > movment, and thus time was born.
>>
>> > The sphere found that is was not perfect and this was because it was
>> > spinning at such a rate as to deform, it soon deformed enough to
>> > explode and all that is comes for the broken sphere.
>>
>> > A similar thought occours in the set of books called Conversations
>> > with God. The premise is that God is, and God is all knowing, but
>> > being all knowing God decided that knowledge without experiance is
>> > worthless, hence the creation of matter out of the spirit of God.
>>
>> > I'm not sure on this idea, but you who know me, know I am taken with
>> > the idea of matter from spirit.
>>
>> > On May 24, 1:49 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > We have one mortal life but our spirit lives on through our works and
>> > > relationships. Our body is like the transport that our spirit drives.
>> > > Why then, would God be lonely and create Adam and Eve in the flesh?
>> > > What did he lack with the angels? All myth, of course.
>>
>> > > On May 23, 10:46 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > All matter and all individualities are emanations from the One Self
>> > > > and it is in the nature of emanations to be dualistic. I know it hurts
>> > > > our pride to accept that we are mortals and have only this life , but
>> > > > if we change our perceptions a little and identify ourselves with the
>> > > > One Self instead of this body, then we would be having the right
>> > > > perspective and really be the One and only Atman.
>>
>> > > > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:31 PM, leerevdoug...@googlemail.com
>>
>> > > > <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
>> > > > > I think perception is route to realisation perhaps.
>>
>> > > > > Perception first, followed by evidance that such perceptions are valid
>> > > > > (if only subjectily in some cases) leading to realisations.
>>
>> > > > > As to the Blake quote.
>>
>> > > > > My and my oldest son where having a convo last night, I can't really
>> > > > > recall what it was about, but I asked him if he thought it at all
>> > > > > possible that a 'thing' can act outside of it's 'nature'.
>>
>> > > > > Perhaps it is the nature of man to have blinkered perceptions. Like
>> > > > > the fly dog visualy percives in black an white, perhaps human kind
>> > > > > simply cannot percive any other realms than it is capable of?
>>
>> > > > > On May 21, 12:12 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> I see your point, a good one too. At what point does perception
>> > > > >> become realization. But I would say that there is much more to
>> > > > >> perception than sensory perception. As William Blake pointed out: "If
>> > > > >> the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man
>> > > > >> as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all
>> > > > >> things through narrow chinks of his cavern."[
>>
>> > > > >> On May 19, 7:19 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
>> > > > >> wrote:
>>
>> > > > >> > Hey Molly,
>>
>> > > > >> > Is such a thing truely a perception or a realisation?
>>
>> > > > >> > I used to live with a bloke who is colour blind, we rented our place
>> > > > >> > from two lesbians, and so his perception of the colour of his bedroom
>> > > > >> > was grey. The bedroom was to my eyes coloured pink, but he knows that
>> > > > >> > he is colour blind and although not sure of what colour I saw (until
>> > > > >> > he asked me) he realised that his perception was not correct.
>>
>> > > > >> > So we can have a realiastion that our perceptions may not be correct.
>>
>> > > > >> > On May 19, 12:09 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > >> > > How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to perceive the world
>> > > > >> > > as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and separate from
>> > > > >> > > self)? By definition, this view would remain dualistic. I do think it
>> > > > >> > > true that how we view the world forms our experience. From a
>> > > > >> > > dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. From a non dual view,
>> > > > >> > > all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we view (and
>> > > > >> > > experience) birth and death changes as we change. From a non dual
>> > > > >> > > perspective, they are only states of transformation and not a
>> > > > >> > > beginning or end.
>>
>> > > > >> > > On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > >> > > > In duality there is the relationship of the observer and the observed
>> > > > >> > > > , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. In Non-Duality
>> > > > >> > > > there is only One and the world which is dualistic in nature , remains
>> > > > >> > > > what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth and death. God
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