Perhaps if an ex leader has truely done well for the people, then to
begrude them a livlyhood on the speaking cirucit or indeed as writer
seems churlish.
I'm a socialist, this is true, but I have never begrudged a person the
rewards for their hard work.
On May 25, 2:27 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This might also cover memoirs which tend to fudge. I think Obama
> signed a future book contract- post presidency. And what about the
> enormous speaking fees? I guess this also is old hat- Caesar, etc.
> Also the monuments and tombs. There must be a correlation between
> public life and the need for adulation.
>
> On May 24, 3:40 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Huh I don't see how you reached that conclusion when my initial
> > premise is lets get rid of money, of greed, and find a better way?
>
> > I think that we shall always need leaders and I would rather live in a
> > fully democratic sociaty then not.
>
> > I would like to see democracy change a little though. The post of
> > politician should be unpaid, shared and part time. There should eb
> > laws made that say no fiscal gain can be made by politicions whilst in
> > power and possibly not after also. That way well get only thoese who
> > truely care about sociaty willing to do the job.
>
> > On May 24, 6:07 am, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > i think worldwide democratic socialism is a good solution , no pres. ,
> > > no office of power , many small niches all unified . listen to your
> > > self lee , it sounds to me like u find it moraly (socialy) wrong to
> > > speek ill of capitalism . now im not all about the current socialism
> > > set up , nor am i for capitalism ( make belive democratic system ) the
> > > answer would seem to be in the middle --- keep the democratic , lose
> > > the capitalism --- lose the dictator , keep the socialism
> > > ( humanitarian ) ,
>
> > > leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > > Hahah no I mean robotic work force.
>
> > > > I mean no employment for us humans, robots take care of it all,
> > > > including repair of broken robots.
>
> > > > We can then pursue other things, as the state/s take care of our
> > > > nessicitys/luxeries brought about by the work of our slave robots!
>
> > > > It is truely scary this consumerisim, I have seen it increase in my
> > > > short time on this planet, and it seems that things that where not
> > > > counted as commodities a few years back are now so.
>
> > > > Money brings you all that you say, and of course you need it to live,
> > > > to pay bills, to buy food.
>
> > > > I don't think it is money persay that is the problem, and I guess you
> > > > are right, a barter system is open to the same flaws, I think it is
> > > > this growing commoditisation of things and consummerisation of life
> > > > that is to blame.
>
> > > > It is the age old issue, the haves and the have nots. Make sure then
> > > > that we all have, or that we all not. Ahhh but that is the raving
> > > > Socialist in me speaking.
>
> > > > On May 23, 2:08 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > You mean a stay-at-home mom in the traditional sense? (Stepford wife.)
>
> > > > > The next gold/oil will be water as some of us have agreed many times.
>
> > > > > To replace money, we could return to a barter system but that would
> > > > > also be uneven/unfair depending upon demand and supply and even what
> > > > > categories would constitute value.
>
> > > > > What does money provide? Security, first of all, but this can be
> > > > > tricky. Most seem to expend money to make more money or purchase
> > > > > luxury goods so status is another aim. Control: if a nation's wealth
> > > > > is worthless or inflated, so goes the ballgame; or if one's nation is
> > > > > in debt or trapped in a cycle of expensive wars or nature/climate
> > > > > impose frequent emergencies, stress on the food supply, etc. The
> > > > > culture is also a culprit: what are its everyday values? Is a nation
> > > > > shortsighted, flaky, uneducated, so on an so forth. Who makes the most
> > > > > money in a culture? That's a real test of what a country values.
>
> > > > > Thrift is a lowly virtue- nearly distained. So is labor: sedentary
> > > > > classes must diet or join gyms/country clubs, employ servants, etc.
> > > > > (My neighbor "gave" me her lawn guy- he is half the fee of my former %
> > > > > $#&*%. She was also his customer- once. We decided he is having a mid-
> > > > > life crisis. :-) )
>
> > > > > On May 23, 6:55 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Shaman,
>
> > > > > > I have actualy given some thought to this and the most viable idea
> > > > > > that I have is..........
>
> > > > > > Robotic work force!
>
> > > > > > On May 23, 12:52 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > hell ya lee , it will probably bring itself to an end with the
> > > > > > > disappearance of oil , or a bunch of people could put there
> > > > > > > organisational skills together and force an end to come , che took out
> > > > > > > cuba with 28 dudes and some AKs. brand new ak47 = 600$ , but thats a
> > > > > > > last resort ,..... have you read the art of war by sun tzu , actual
> > > > > > > combat is very expensive and risky ,--- a war againt $ -- sounds more
> > > > > > > plosable than the war on drugs , which was created to generate $ .
> > > > > > > there is nothing i hate more than $ , and there is nothing i wouldnt
> > > > > > > do to stop it , but as you say how? if someone did have a way , and
> > > > > > > put it on the internet , they would probably be arrested !
>
> > > > > > > leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > It all comes down to money in the end don't it, or rather as the Bible
> > > > > > > > says the love of it.
>
> > > > > > > > Money the great Satan that stops otherwise good people from acting in
> > > > > > > > a moraly correct way.
>
> > > > > > > > Meh! I'd like to see the end of it, but how are we ever to see that I
> > > > > > > > wonder?
>
> > > > > > > > On May 21, 12:50 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > The cost of prison is about the same as education. I have heard the
> > > > > > > > > figure as $30,000. but maybe it has gone up.
>
> > > > > > > > > What about abortion? That saves money.
>
> > > > > > > > > What about the final costs of health care for the aged? Should we just
> > > > > > > > > send them a cyanide capsule?
>
> > > > > > > > > The history of mankind is violent punctuated with periods of peace/
> > > > > > > > > altruism. Beyond resources, wealth and power what is the spur?
>
> > > > > > > > > On May 19, 11:22 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"
>
> > > > > > > > > <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Yep I think that the cost of appeals is proably what helps whack the
> > > > > > > > > > overall cost up.
>
> > > > > > > > > > But you take a strange stance here for a person who has previously
> > > > > > > > > > said that you disagree with the dealth penalty because you can't trust
> > > > > > > > > > the judicial system to get it right.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Now you say that the appeals process should be scrapped in certian
> > > > > > > > > > cases, isn't that a little bit contradictory?
>
> > > > > > > > > > On May 19, 4:29 pm, Chuck Bowling <aardvarkstudio.chu...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I notice that the cost of lifetime imprisonment is folded into the cost of
> > > > > > > > > > > the death penalty in cases where it's overturned. I would guess that this
> > > > > > > > > > > probably counts for a large portion of the money attributed to overall cost.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > In addition, I don't know how it is in other countries but in the US
> > > > > > > > > > > convicts can stall the death penalty almost indefinitely with appeals. This
> > > > > > > > > > > also adds huge costs. In cases where the evidence is incontrovertible I
> > > > > > > > > > > think the appeals process should be constrained to mitigate costs.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:08 AM, leerevdoug...@googlemail.com <
>
> > > > > > > > > > > l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > This from one source:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-pena...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > And to counteract any bias from this source:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > This from Fox?!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27/just-cost-death-penalty-killer-s...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Myself I'm not sure, so as I say the jury is still outon this
> > > > > > > > > > > > question as far as I'm concerend.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On May 19, 2:41 pm, Chuck Bowling <aardvarkstudio.chu...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what the current cost is but 10 years ago the cost of
> > > > > > > > > > > > housing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > an inmate was over $50,000 a year. Assuming a 40 year life sentence that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > would be over 2 million. I'm pretty sure you can kill someone for less.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hell, I'd do it for half that...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:41 AM, leerevdoug...@googlemail.com <
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry Chuck totaly missed this one:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree. Killing a killer has value.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It removes a threat from society.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It frees up resources needed to protect the society from that killer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It provides a deterrent against other killings.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So does life in prision.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The jury is still out on that one as to cost re lifes imprisioment and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cost of the dealth penalty.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For that single indivdual yes.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 19, 1:12 am, Chuck Bowling <aardvarkstudio.chu...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:23 AM, leerevdoug...@googlemail.com <
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should
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