Being able to observe your own behavior and actions, derive patterns that help or hinder, and self correct for growth toward a more integrated personality, is no small feat. Not everyone is capable for myriad reasons. It is true, that this is a life long endeavor. According to the Tibetan Book of the Dead (and the Living) even in our death experience, this ability is critical.
-- I'm Irish. Plenty of my family members have benefited from the AA program. I read somewhere that "Bill" based the program on the teachings of Emmett Fox's "Constructive Thinking" model. I prefer his interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount. Very powerful.
On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 2:04:31 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 2:04:31 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
It really is not a big secret. It the 12 step program created by the founders of AA. The program works IF you work the program. To work it requires all 12 steps and it is not pick and choose.
I am sure in Detroit there still are groups of original AA. 😥 Sadly the AA I started was invaded by treatment centers . That really didn't understand the program. They wanted AA groups to do the hard work for them.. What the treatment centers don't or didn't really know that there are actually 3 meetings.. the before the meeting meeting then there is the regular meetings either open or closed (members only) and the meeting after the meeting.. usually in a coffee shop where you get into the hard core work.. there you learn about AA and how it works. A great deal of coffee is drank.
The after the meeting is probably the most important because there you work on your individual program.. every one has an opinion.. The 12 step program becomes a way of life not just a program.. there is no finished date..
You can learn a lot of weird stuff and meet people from all walks of life.
The problems of life are dealt with one day at a time. After awhile you stop notifying severe for the simple reasons you are dealing with the problems before they become a problem..
Apologies for the delay answering
It is a great program that is sorely abused by corporations and the medical community.. there I need to tread lightly because often times it was the AA members of the medical community that provided for my medical care..
Also learned a great deal.. you would be surprised at the professions of the members.. If you have question 🤔 some member will have the answer..😎
ah
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From: Molly Brogan <mollybrogan@gmail.com>
To: "\"Minds Eye\"" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, 06 Aug 2019 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: AvariceWitnessing ourselves in moments of avarice and every moment actually is a big leap in holding life or God as we know him as treasure. What could be better? Seems you have a simple formula and as I see folks struggling daily to get near what you have discovered, I wish you were here to reach them. Knowing that in the sacred heart that is all hearts, you are, comforts me dear Allan.--
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 5:37:37 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:You always seem to find a kind way. Avarice Is coming from EGO. Once read that EGO is short form of Easing God Out.. I was surprised by the actual meaning of the word that is why i included the meaning.
As for what "I have done, and what I have failed to do" that comes from the prayer of asking forgiveness. As for my ego, well I try to work the ,12 steps of AA Which requires me to examine my activities of the day. Both good and bad both what I have done (good & bad) including what I have failed to do. I started my sobriety journey 5 Dec 1979. It works only one day at a time for which I am very grateful. I have no desire to return to where I started.
Avarice is specifically defined as :
noun (uncountable)
• Excessive or inordinate desire of gain; greediness after wealth; covetousness; cupidity.
• Inordinate desire for some supposed good.
As I try to carefully live to the valued I hold true. I treasure God as I understand him. I have tried reading some of the modern ideas ... Most of the time they make very little sense. Everyone is free to believe what ever they want.
I Placed the definition on the Group for starting point to examine the world in which base different perspective from around the world. But whatever.
ah
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From: Molly Brogan <mollybrogan@gmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 1:37 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: AvariceI mean this in a neutral, kind way. I see that view of avarice as all coming from ego: what I have done, what I have failed, the world in which I live: all self referenced. So it would seem that avarice, like the christian seven deadly sins, or the buddhist hungry ghosts, all self referenced views that are barriers to the non dual perspective, where there is no separation from god, no assignment of value, no cause and effect. No difference between self and the world in which we live. The understanding of many paradoxes must come first. How we identify with our experience. How we value to allow a sense of time and space. Separation is an enormous expanse, and I haven't read anything that says once a non duel view is achieved, we never see or feel separation again. Life is a dance, and we are the dance, always moving, each step related to the others, unity and separation integral.--Sri Nisargadatta's book "That I am" is filled with pointers to the non dual perspective (he is Hindu) yet the title seems to me derived from the bible passage "Be still and know that I am God." That passage, viewed from a non dual perspective, does not separate I and God. but you have to know "I am God" first.At this point, all of life is integrated, including individualism, science, religion... all included, not left behind. Just known differently and moment to moment. Like dreaming, some moments are lucid, some are not. If more are than are not we remain steadily on the non local path that we walk alone in unity.On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 11:06:37 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:AVARICE
pronunciation
• (IPA): /ˈævəɹɪs/
noun (uncountable)
• Excessive or inordinate desire of gain; greediness after wealth; covetousness; cupidity.
• Inordinate desire for some supposed good.
synonyms
• avariciousness
Avarice
Strange word.. I am wondering how many times I have read that word without actually knowing the meaning.. today I looked it up.. and it is about time. (excuse: no dictionary), but that is one that is no longer valid. I have one in my smartphone to help me with my spelling.
Avarice as a word actually describes the world I live in and helped create. 'In what I have done and what I have failed to do!' if nothing else look up the meaning of a word I didn't understand, pretending that I knew and understood what was being said.
The world or reality in which I live is a world filled with avarice to which I must plead guilty of contributing to its creation. I just purchased a new smartphone for the simple reason I wanted a new phone to fulfill my greed.. I easily found reasons to justify my personal greed.
Avarice is consuming our western christian culture. while claiming to be believers and followers of the great teacher Jesus.. as I justify my separation greed and need for things that tend to separate me from truly following the spiritual truths I have found and claim to hold dear.
Has anyone found my sign that reads "REPENT!"? I seemed to have lost it.
ah
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