Tuesday, May 5, 2015

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Cops and robbers

Good to see you are feeling  better. . I read about thebfight after it was over..

Hmm must be miss reading things.. "One number is for the police to come and resolve the situation the other number is to contact an angry mob".   There are a lot of problems with law enforcement. . But even the thought of having a number to contract a mob." I also read the rest.. still leaves me wondering about a moral foundation.

Eliminating the professional politicians and staff might be a start.. and strict oversight if the spin doctors..

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 05 May 2015 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Cops and robbers

" propensity to disseminate eviscerated reason" - Allan as the shark careless with the entrails of logic - very much an 'I came for the beer but stayed for the show' moment.

I'm still not right.  Hospital for some tests on Friday.  Even fell asleep in the Mayweather fight and later ANZAC Test - though Warrington's derby game against Widnes (Rugby League) had me very much awake via radio commentary - we won with 6 seconds left of the clock with a try from our Aussie captain, very much a rehabilitated man after leaving the Antipodes under a cloud (involving monkeys) years ago.

As I take Tony, he's pointing to mob rule being a reason to have policing, not for mob rule.  I've long believed we have missed the beat on policing - it shares the same Greek root (from polis) as polite.  We the polis should do most policing.  We don't seem to grip these practical matters much.  If we want democracy we need our police and armed services to be 'of us'.  I have a scheme in mind.  We had major anti-police protests in the UK in my time - about a white East End crook called George Davis and a black crook Leroy (forget surname).  People went about wearing 'George/Leroy is Innocent' T-shirts - neither of them was remotely innocent and were later caught committing robberies on camera.  What we never did was investigate why so many people got behind these crooks  Since then political correctness has made even research impossible.  I guess this is less to do with calling black people black and more about our inability to look at what is going on straight in the eye.  If our black communities have much rationality, why does their protest come over such (generally) wasters?  What is the relation between our media reporting on riots but not sensible disputation have to bear on the real issues?  Why is the "expert" opinion we are allowed to see so utterly crap?

Libertarian "solutions" often seem little better than anarchist ones, always harking to mythical beasts like "free trade", "less government", "free human nature" and other three-card tricks.  Other "solutions" like education have also failed - our politicians are educated to somewhere pre-101 - but academics show little sign of being better.  I would guess we need to rethink practical democracy and what humans would do without current poverty incentives.  I don't think we have the guts to get the real problems to the table of public scrutiny.  Many of the solutions strike me as the major problems.

Black rule has been a very notable failure from Zimbabwe to Detroit - though how long is it since the most educated and cultured white people were voting for Hitler?  If we gave the financial system over to black people, could it do any worse?  Who would vote for a black takeover of our police?  We need to find the difficult questions and start talking - I think we will be shooting looters long before this.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 12:16:13 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
If past history is any record they probably already in place..  but political greed has been working at handcuffing federal  law enforcement. . Mainly to hide there crimes.. they didn't lije the Nixon Affair..

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 05 May 2015 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Cops and robbers

The news here last week in Detroit (and demonstrations afterward) was that an 18 year old boy was shot and killed by a police officer. Sounds bad. It was a federal officer serving a warrant. Still bad. The warrant was two years old (took them two years to find him.) His father was there also. Sounds inept. The boy had a record of violent crime and drug trafficking. the warrant was for drugs. The father had a long record and was involved. They were in a crack house not a family home. The boy came at an officer with a hammer before he was shot. The plot thickens.

There were many stories surrounding this event, most had a fraction of the facts needed for a clear picture of what happened and many were steeped in inaccuracy. We are at a turning point here in how we handle crime on every level. I hold the press responsible - even though they are an industry in crisis because of a changing business model with paper news and TV news becoming dinosaurs. Can they vet the stories without proper funding? I think if they can't, they should shut down. they have a sacred trust they are not meeting, turning instead to sensationalism and melodrama to get ratings and advertisers.

Then there is the problem of the protest for hire, making millions for some paid to stir up national issues, lately surrounded by race. When did this start? Who needs the distraction?

Then there is the problem of the growing transparency in law enforcement that technology creates. After centuries of brute force and corruption, the rapid change necessary will not always occur and the result will be ugly.

Then there is the new problem of organized street gangs jumping on riots everywhere to cash in, a new revenue stream. This is getting interesting, and not in a good way. My guess is there is a federal gang task force on the horizon modeled after Elliot Ness (because we don't have any current models).

That leaves the biggest problem that I see, all of the people caught up in it, losing their businesses to fire and looting, their lives to injury and trauma. Left like my friends, whose lives were never the same after 1967. Baltimore may go the way of Detroit after this. Fear creates population flight after that kind of horror.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 3:50:05 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
Of course the evidence is going to bend toward the prosecution. That is the evidence they want to finf to convict.. they are trying to find thr perps ..  unfortunately over zealous narrow minded cops and the legal system jump to conclusions.
After mob action you wonder about whether in a war zone.. I remember the riots of the 60's.  And the devestation is very rule..  how do you stop gang rule? Heavy handed law enforcement.. that is not the solution either.. neither is mob rule.. the solution is some where but neither of those solutions are valid..

Molly is right. Society needs to find the real problem there is a very valid way and that is follow the money.  . It is surprisingly the results when light is shined in areas where people don't want their activities know.. often hiding behind a false veil of morality.

Public morality is a totally different topic. . Looking at it ...  hmm it applies  only to the other guy..  (I will leave off the snide remark as it is not a valid contribution )

Am really glad feeling better Neil and Molly.  Have been there a while back.. did not like the feeling of death warmed over..

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 05 May 2015 12:09 AM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Cops and robbers

Thanks for chiming in, Neil. Good to know you can. You just gotta feel better soon. It has been much too long.

On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 1:37:18 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
I'm still too poorly to focus.  Facil's solution is still a de facto one for some.  People don't call cops because they don't help and often make things worse.  You call the local fixers.  Our justice systems don't hang the right people either, with even forensic evidence found to be 85% bent to the prosecution.  Cops visit 13 year old kids who have been raped and do nothing (I had to find other crimes to hang on perpetrators).  I see Tony's point and agree it despite these reservations.

Deep in this we are being had by "experts".  and failed economics - not much use in time if your car is set on fire.  I expect some kind of work to rule from cops asking why they should put themselves at risk for such an ungrateful public, though would like to see us all do public order policing as a civic duty.

On Monday, 4 May 2015 15:42:02 UTC+1, facilitator wrote:
The solution is simple.  Two emergency numbers for people to call .  One number is for the police to come and resolve the situation the other number is to contact an angry mob.  The police might make mistakes and the court system might not be quick enough in terms of justice.  The mob on the other hand would be swift justice but they may not hang the right person.  Let the people decide.

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