Wednesday, April 8, 2015

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Honest Alter Universes

Sex is how we currently reproduce, gender is probably a wider concept and hardly stops at male and female.  I had wondered if you guys think much in terms of social construction.  I tend to like working with people who can tell the shit from the sawdust and why the unmentioned in the manual crow-bar is so essential.  'I'm going to help from the feminine divine Neil' doesn't sound very promising.  The mug, for instance, could come from various 'inspirations'.  And one can say much the same of the thesis.  I used to see a hundred of so a year, a few quite brilliant (this one isn't), some so obviously good in the practice I'd have preferred no write-up and down to the plagiarised majority.  We might take Allan's stance and ask for a 'jar of feminine divine', but this isn't how I would treat something like this educationally.  

I think an 'alter-universe' needs to be created for a thesis like this to exist as a process.  We might think more generally about the difference between the alter-universe of a Muslim woman in an area with a promotion of virtue and prevention of vice squad and a grad student of Judith Butler.  

What interests me is what promises we can genuinely make about radical change.  You see, amongst some academics this thesis would be an outright fail.  I could both support and crush it, if I was hired as an advocate.

I would see stuff like this as relevant to building with the imagination - though also find it dull and conservative.    

On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 12:12:43 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
I will be the first to admit having  a great deal of problems with gender and spirituality .  When  I feel  someone trying to sell me a bill of good I lose interest quickly.

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Honest Alter Universes

I'll get back on why I think any aspects of divine relate to alter-universes Molly.  Allan could be seen to miss the point on this thesis, though my own response had a lot of his experience in it.  Here's a cruder example of the 'divine feminine'.

The divine might admit to and exhibit some playfulness.

On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 11:32:13 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
I've always liked the work of Joseph Campbell and his ability to bring the common symbols of all cultures into an easily digestible human mythology. Gender is, and I think we each have male and female aspects that, at some point hopefully, are integrated. I find myself leaning toward more male expressions while living in corporate America, starting with more male expressions and following up with female, more nurturing and inclusive. Behavior and response gives us an idea of what works, and while it is incumbent on us to keep our behavior within the realm of "true," culture has its demands, and response sometimes sets perimeters.

The divine feminine in the Christian mythology is of course, the Virgin Mary, part of the holy trinity and ascribed the archetype of grace. All of this seems to me to be script writing the divine play. We keep explaining these archetypes to each other and ourselves again and again in slightly different forms.

The idea of alternate universes, I'm not sure how it relates to the divine feminine, but would like to hear more about it.

On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 12:02:28 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
Although we could look at physics that tells us our shadow is real and that when we walk away from it we enter a fifth dimension, there is little chance of us experiencing anything much different from this theorising are in the bugger all to slight range.  I've attached a masters level thesis on the divine feminine.  I don't actually like this work, though it is more welcome than most of the drivel students are forced into.  It may seem odd that a scientist like me finds more pertinent in changing our ways of living for the better in an obvious fiction like the divine feminine and what I regard as a largely failed 'new paradigm' set of research methods.  

Molly currently has everything solid melting to air and the imagination central in creation and evolving processes.  Of course, I'm not keen on solids 'meting to air' - it's piss poor chemistry and these days we think there may be hundreds of states of matter.  I wonder what we can honestly say about alter universes.  I find the literature generally weak like this thesis and wide open to easy criticism.  How can we be imaginatively creative, perhaps even in Molly's strong sense of this, and remain honest?


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