Saturday, February 28, 2015

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence

I obviously agree RP.  They are evidence of something, but rarely stand up to detailed analysis even in their own terms.  The Christians may be Flavians conned by a Roman plot, Christ may not be a historical person but an invention, Islam may be from Berber Jews and so on.  Make these texts in some way 'holy' perhaps as the word of god or an angel and hence he did come to speak to us.  This is more evidence of human gullibility than anything else to me.  And this doesn't mean the texts have nothing to offer.

Religion for me can't be a matter of smug satisfaction or rejection of counter-evidence as economics does through 'externalities'.  Seeking is a presence I understand, not the sacred.

On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 12:42:27 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:
Neil, I don't understand how scriptures can be termed evidence, I can quote from various scriptures but what is the use, to term them as evidence is not scientific.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 6:07 AM, archytas <> wrote:
A scientist in some senses is prostrated before the evidence Molly.  

On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 7:47:49 PM UTC, Molly wrote:
The Logos is God,[Jn 1:1] as Thomas stated: "My Lord and my God."[20:28] Yet the Logos is in some sense distinguishable from God, for "the Logos was with God."[1:1] God and the Logos are not two beings, and yet they are also not simply identical. In contrast to the Logos, God can be conceived (in principle at least) also apart from his revelatory action─although we must not forget that the Bible speaks of God only in his revelatory action. The paradox that the Logos is God and yet it is in some sense distinguishable from God is maintained in the body of the Gospel. That God as he acts and as he is revealed does not "exhaust" God as he is, is reflected in sayings attributed to Jesus: I and the Father are one"[Jn 10:30] and also, "the Father is greater than I."[14:28] The Logos is God active in creation, revelation, and redemption. Jesus Christ not only gives God's Word to us humans; he is the Word.[1:14] [14:6] He is the true word─ultimate reality revealed in a Person. The Logos is God, distinguishable in thought yet not separable in fact.

No room for ego, arrogance or anything like it there.

On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:
Over the years the word of God in reality is the essence of God..  the essence of what is said..  just what the essence of God is.. i have no clue other than it does exist.

What i feel is of great importance is to change the perspective of just who or what God is.. one thing i am sure of is the common perspective is not working..

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <>
Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence

It isn't easy listening, authority imposed where there is none. I am not interested in anyone telling me what to do or how to view myself, and certainly am not looking for psychoanalysis. But I am interested in listening to others views when presented as their own, even when filled with dread and anger. I don't take it personally and wish the best for everyone.

I am interested in the Logos...the beginning word...the word as God, or the meaning that passes between. You hit the nail on the head there, Allan.

On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 10:32:37 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
That's rather close to Willard Quine Allan.  The question is largely about who receives whom in arrogance.  The ignorant are often the most arrogant of all.

On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 3:24:25 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
In christianity is the statement in the beginning was the word and the word was with God. Sound familiar?

I read that or hear statements like that what i hear is people that have no clue and presenting double talk to appear to have an answer. Further more they want no answer so any other possibility is automatically rejected.

So if a possibility is presented it is rejected because for no other reason than it does not fit your perception.

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: RP Singh <>
To: Minds Eye <>
Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence

Allan I rejected this answer because without the answer to the first question it makes no sense.
Allan, I don't know what you make of God's omnipotence, but for me he has the power to create without any raw material, unlike us poo


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