Saturday, January 31, 2015

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Consciousness

A quick google of "awareness consciousness" brings up much of the current discussion on the matter.  Here is an explanation from a guy I prefer (a sculpture, Facilitator, but also a non-dual philosopher.) http://non-duality.rupertspira.com/read/is_awareness_the_same_as_consciousness_oasg_13 

Of course, one would have to experience what is being discussed to actually have anything other than speculation or opinion (mental constructs.) Since the experience requires going beyond mind...(won't bore you with the P word again.)

Agree, Neil, that the discussion may lead to the experience after the onion of the story is peeled. This may well be the worth of this group and what keeps us coming back.

Being a big fan of St. Therese, Sue, I welcome your thoughts to the group.  There is much to be said for innocence once the mind becomes a well oiled machine, firing only when mechanically necessary, much like a strong healthy heart that just keeps beating. Welcome.

On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 5:34:15 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:
You have never studied the lesson a child teaches?

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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Considering children as our teachers sounds very interesting.  In a sense, literature has done some of this with the 'noble savage' theme - though anthropology tells us primitive societies are very violent, even when we factor war into ours.  Kids enjoying each other, like my dogs meeting their pals in the park, always moves me. 'Buster' is a particular friend of my two.  One has to do something to organise children's play (and the dogs') and eliminate obvious dangers.  This includes difficult reasoning on not over-supervising.  We make provision for the future, rather than live every day as it comes.  I think we have become neurotic on how we do this and should be providing security in order that we can be more in the moment and not worrying so much.  Sadly, much living in the moment is consumed with the wrong things already.

On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 6:27:33 AM UTC, Sue Linda wrote:
in your considered thoughts, the state of life would be more like a child like mind who knows nothing of death, nor of life but enjoys each moment that arrives.  It is only by the events of evil works brought on a child does it lean the effects of danger.  Consider children as our teachers.  Before they learn of "evil" that being events that cause harm, the child only lives in the moment and acts of "evil" on another child is rare.


On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 7:05:54 PM UTC-6, RP Singh wrote:
Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had been there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just death , nothing else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there is something which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at the stars , the solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It all obeys laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not chaos. What would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , no laws of biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort that we would return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would return home from work . Unpredictability is still there but it is minor , mostly there is satisfaction and assurance of well-being.

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