Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?

Gabby makes some important points - seem to remember the 81 paper but there were many,  Dictionaries don't really help here - nor the hermeneutics of 'finding the original copy' - German sin is exemplified in the Jewish Numbers 31 and so on across genocides and the concentration camp as a business tactic in such as 'red rubber'.  Primitive societies tell us their wars are based on revenge - though they always involve resource grabs (land, hunting, women, children).  We seem to have merely managerialised this.

The demand for social services and welfare is much greater than we admit, extending into such issues as why we have been so stupid to expand the human population in tripling it in my lifetime, global warming, pollution and the crass failures of "education".  One might think one could at least focus on 'the abuse next door' - but I have to say when this came along in my life Sue and I failed and found the agencies and politicians much worse than useless.  The ultimate standard of morality would have been to shoot the parents and do the time - had one been able to rely on the agencies looking after the kids rather than doing a worse job.

The resource issues are not insurmountable though they are within our stupid economic system.  Even to talk of this is more or less heresy - and look what we prefer to do - speak of young kids preferring a 'prostitute lifestyle' and hear politicians talking about the few cases in which abused children hit the care jackpot.  The ages of consent across the West were often created in response to child prostitution.  The first law of innocents I know of comes from Dark Age Scotland and I am by no means sure what the improvements since have been.

The specific social services resource issue was discussed in the 1950's in terms of concentric circles - one could only focus on a small number of the worst cases in a much wider circle of need.  Only 10% of kids killed by parents in the UK are actually known to social services in the sense of being subject to a care order.  The costs of admitting a problem soon spiral and following the money one soon realises little actually gets spent on the kids.  Gabby raises the issue that it is cruel to promise solution when we have no intent of funding what's needed.  In terms of sufficient numbers of people to do most of what is needed there is no problem - we just create a system which prevents money-resourcing.

We have, of course, pumped trillions into subsidy of manufacturing and banks over the years - these areas supposedly thrusting self-reliant genius competitors - and very little into what we call welfare - we 'police' Afghanistan and Iraq making things much worse but do almost nothing for our own victims.  There are answers.

On Sunday, November 2, 2014 8:46:36 PM UTC, Molly wrote:

I befriended one of the LaCasa employees that worked with children in groups and took disclosures.  She eventually became a police officer, hoping it would be less stressful. I think it probably was.If the network is large enough, no one burns out.  Trouble is, it is rarely large enough.  I think people have the need to look away from this problem more than any other.

On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:59:57 PM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:

Ah, pedophiles they have been in the news including one for soliciting an underage computer image. Personally I am glad to see the aggressive prosecution, I am very proud of the enforcement effort.
I wish I could say it would an honor to be part of the team thing on pedophile but truth is I think it would destroy me. I do give them my full support,





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From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?

It is important to agree on terms when conversing.  This from the Free Dictionary:

em·power·ment n.

Usage Note: Although it is a contemporary buzzword, the word empower is not new, having arisen in the mid-17th century with thelegalistic meaning "to invest with authority, authorize." Shortly thereafter it began to be used with an infinitive in a more general waymeaning "to enable or permit." Both of these uses survive today but have been overpowered by the word's use in politics and poppsychology. Its modern use originated in the civil rights movement, which sought political empowerment for its followers. The wordwas then taken up by the women's movement, and its appeal has not flagged. Since people of all political persuasions have a need fora word that makes their constituents feel that they are or are about to become more in control of their destinies, empower has been adopted by conservatives as well as social reformers. It has even migrated out of the political arena into other fields. · The UsagePanel has some misgivings about this recent broadening of usage. For the Panelists, the acceptability of the verb empower depends on the context. Eighty percent approve of the example We want to empower ordinary citizens. But in contexts that are not political the Panel is markedly less enthusiastic. The sentence Hunger and greed and then sexual zeal are felt by some to be stages of experiencethat empower the individual garners approval from only 33 percent of the Panelists. The Panel may frown on this kind of psychological empowering because it resonates of the self-help movement, which is notorious for trendy coinages.

I've never been interested in talking politics, and although I've had occasion to work with some, never really affiliated with any party. I will leave any tendency to interpret what I say as an affiliation with a political party up to you.  I really don't have one. I will be excited to see Dave Bing next week when he comes to my place of employment. for a photo shoot, the Democrat who restored integrity to the office of Mayor of Detroit. He took a lot of heat and it took guts to devout the years of his life that he did to turning the city around like a freighter on the river. Like skin color, religion or citizenship, I don't don't hold many preconceived notions to a persons political persuasion when relating to them, so really can't speak to your comment about republicans and democrats.

Nice to know pedophiles are prosecuted somewhere.  Congratulations! A system working!

On Sunday, November 2, 2014 1:28:13 PM UTC-5, Gabby wrote:

The big picture, that you draw, is very much a U.S. American Republican's view. I know quite a number of people whose aggressivenes gets triggerd by this deliberate choice of imagery. (I'm sure the relief barking will set in later)
Let's see if we can find a common ground for the word "empowerment". The root is English, that's correct, but the modern popularity and usage goes back to the American Julian Rappaport: In praise of paradox. A social policy of empowerment over prevention, in: American Journal of Community Psychology, 9/1981, 1-25 (13), saying: „Having rights but no resources and no services available is a cruel joke." I think we can all agree if we don't take a closer look at our rights, but assume we have them.
As for moving, if you cannot protect innocent children - this would still be a taboo in our German context, even if we wanted to do the same. We have left innocent Jews to the apparatus, we have no excuse left. It is the alledged pedophiles who have to be protected in our communities, or they have to move elsewhere, no laws and law enforcement could do something about that.
But you know what, I believe your call for a kid's survival training is more of an anti-Democrat, Republican demagogy than a real call! :) Am I right?

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