Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?

No matter what community we create, as long as people hate, judge, look away and act out, there will be problems of violence and how to manage it it groups.

On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 7:28:15 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Been there done that too.

Anyone for creating a Off shore barge community?;


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From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:03 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?

All very sticky stuff here in the US too and I have come to think that abuse is so embedded in the culture that everyone prefers to look the other way than speak up and follow through.  I've done it and seen people do it, but it always brings a long series of difficulties that must be toughed out and results are mixed but I must say I have seen it work out to the benefit of the abused, though only in the long run.  In the short run, people are so upset, in denial etc., that it is much more difficult. If it gets to court you can count on multiple dates and a slim chance of justice.  Pressing charges of domestic violence over here usually increases the violence because the police and courts are much to slow or reluctant to make decisions, and the abusers have a personality disorder that compels them to continue.

I've been in a crowd where an adult is slapping and screaming at a child and no one is doing anything.  Always nerve wracking for me to be the one to walk over and interrupt, fumbling for someones card to pass along to suggest the family find a better way or my phone to dial 911.  When the cops arrive, accusations on both sides fly because the abuser always blames someone else and I've been called into question on occasion.  Never easy.

I have often wondered why we can't handle obvious abuse better as a group. I just reported a case of sexual harassment at work after watching for too long it happen to a beautiful young girl who was too afraid to report herself. The culture was such that a mountain of retribution came back on me, but I would do it again because it minimized the behavior. I say minimized because the guy is still with us and has a personality that keeps it going. We overlook so much subtle inequity, bullying, ridicule, passive aggression that the outright aggression becomes a matter of course we can't be bothered unraveling it seems.

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 9:40:49 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

BBC's 'Panorama' produced a documentary last night on 'Baby P' - Peter Connelly killed at 17 months after much abuse 7 years ago.  The perpetrators were jailed, scum of little interest.  There was a serious case review, generally a hapless procedure of whitewash here.  It now seems this and other reports were a fix to pin blame on social services - in fact all agencies involved were useless, social services perhaps less so than the politicians and others.  Obviously, no reasonable society would want this kind of vicious cover-up at all or not to know what really went on for 7 years, given we should want to put things right (the 'learning lessons' rhetoric).

Britain is an intensely secretive society.  I don't even know why we got involved in the two world wars, let alone Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.  When I think of Gabby or Germans I have actually met, I have even less idea on the world wars.  I doubt ignorance is my problem in this - it's just clear the general stuff we are given is bunk.  When one researches social issues from war to child abuse, the reality shifts a long way from the history of Empire I was taught and the idea our politicians and bureaucracy operate in any competent way.

In another case, in Rotherham, more than 1400 victims of child sexual exploitation were further abused by all the services they encountered.  In this case, a young, female Home Office researcher had her work destroyed and was threatened by two police officers who said they were going to give her name and address to the abusers.  There are so many other cases I doubt I could finish writing their outline within a couple of days.  This is before one thinks about our banks and business practices, and revolting breaches of trust by priests, teachers and cops.

Who can we even tell when it is almost impossible to think of any speedy and fair investigations and resolutions - or even admissions of wrong-doing by our establishments?  This before you realise cops and other agencies quickly brief against victims and other complainants.

 

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