Here we have a long-running paedophile politician and celebrity abuser saga, amongst a wider problem with failing young kids on CSE. The first appointment to our "Inquiry" was an 81 tear old judge who was the mother of a possible cover-up perp and also married to a dead judge 'who liked prostitutes in Africa'. Next up a solicitor living next door but 4 to another likely perp who shared dinner parties with him and was economic with the truth on her relationship with his wife. Now the excuse is that it is impossible to find an member of the Establishment to run the thing who won't know likely actual or cover up perps - something I both neither believe and which attempts to elide the Establishment problem. We need non-Establishment investigations.
-- We have select committee enquiries - in this area it is the home office select committee chair by one Keith Vaz MP. Vaz has been up to his ears in expenses and undue influence problems, once barred from Parliament for a month (he was previously a Blair flunky). Sue was an IPCC investigator - she was put on lengthy, tedious enquiries into unimportant matters, including a complaint into an endless thing involving a rugby league paedophile (everywhere!). In the suicide of a female firearms' officer she found the poor woman had been taking a prescription drug no one near a gun should be allowed - missed by the cops. The IPCC started with human rights and transparency concerns and is now just another cover up. To get almost any enquiry, we have to rely on the press whipping matters up - they are best thought of as presstitutes and are severely hampered by libel law. Jimmy Saville and MP Cyril Smith had to die before we 'heard' of their hundreds of crimes - others like Rolf Harris are being prosecuted as old men. On television we have CSI - on reality we leave rape kits untested (127 serial rapists in the first 2000 belatedly tested).
I asked who we can tell - promised anonymity, witnesses in a violent drug case start to give evidence from behind a screen only to have their names read out by the court usher - cops regularly start to smear people complaining against them - and all the agencies leak like sieves. Ann Coffey MP has just produced a report on victims in Greater Manchester, yet there is nothing in it she could not have learned at a conference my team produced at university in 2005 - though I wouldn't knock her for trying and unusually for an MP she has some relevant qualifications and experience. We have undercover cops sleeping with activist groups they should not be penetrating (argh!) - and teachers who dare not put a plaster on a grazed knee.
Sadly, I have more sense the Paedofinder General will ride ('Monkeydust') than sensible solutions. Abusers are still released to live in the same street as previous victims. Africa has seen WW3. We were months late responding to Ebola - but decades really. I saw two lovely women explaining their plight as survivors, squalor all round two people speaking a foreign language (English) making me wonder how education is supposed to help.
There is potential in new technologies to change all this (or obviously blow ourselves to bits) - yet only one in ten of our politicians even knows how money is created. We have enquiries made of Vantablack from which no light escapes. What life are we offering poor young kids who "prefer" to get themselves involved with vile sexual groomers? Or jihadis who go to Syria? Or Nigeria with vast oil wealth and boko harem?
How can we offer peace?
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:51:34 PM UTC, Molly wrote:
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:51:34 PM UTC, Molly wrote:
I don't know that we are doing better. Not much vetting of issues of sexual abuse by the press, probably for the same reasons that the cops and courts shy away. It is everywhere, and if we wonder why the world is filled with psychos, try to imagine what happens to the psychology of the child abused. Not much chance of living disorder free...Here in Detroit, the President of the City Council was charged in a civil suit for sexual abuse of a minor boy after efforts by the mother to have criminal charges brought failed. The guy (city council president) just disappeared without a word, and left the council with that vacancy for several months in the midst of bankruptcy proceedings. the guy was actually a TV reporter before becoming a politician. Last seen waiting tables in New York City. Everywhere.
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:20:35 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:"Gates" don't have ti be physical Allan. Must stop playing straight man to Facil nob gags. The principle of re-hanging sounds Promethean. Leadership - in the block captain kind of way - is always problematic. Makes me cringe - I used to get very bossy in suffering fools situations - though a few people benefited from me in kick-arse mode.This report into child sexual exploitation in Greater Manchester is peculiar - it's an expose and whitewash at the same time - a kind of anti-matter version of Molly's 'embrace the paradox'. 'It doesn't matter we made mistakes, allowed rapes and denigration, because we're doing better now' sort of stuff. 'Trust us, we're the people who failed you in the past'!Size doesn't matter Tony, unless you're hanging wallpaper.
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:52:09 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:What owners association?
The idea behind a coop is there are no owners. And no one can own part of it. (Church of Common Cooperation) guidelines set up. Either you follow the guidelines or move else where.
You pay your rent, do your community responsibilities, participate in community affairs and activities.. It can not be a place to pay your rent then hide away.
All an
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?developing those common standards might be a sticky wicket. I always cringe when asked to be on a committee to review by-laws, and have managed to dodge owners associations without exception. Oh the horror.--
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:46:39 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:There is a lot of major problems world wide. I don't think realistically you can gate an entire town. But an apartment complex can be .. I think the keys lay within a common moral standards agreement and non ownership. Lack of ownership would allow for removal of those that do not follow the guidelines ... (Unfortunately i do not think a regular hanging of Me or Tony would solve any problems).
All an
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?Hanging might be less cruel than suffering some of the cop, social worker and other town hall incompetence. A lot of the kids lied to me Molly - quite common in abuse cases - over stuff I could check up on. Some even tried to chat me up etc. Given we have known forever that many abuse cases are not independently witnessed and victims are incredibly easy to discredit, I'm amazed we don't routinely bug to get independent evidence - I even hid in a wardrobe to get one perp. Given people catch their nannies doing things wrong on CCTV, you'd think we could work a system out for abuse.--I've often thought we could go back to something more like village life by gating off in our existing towns.Tony is probably the only one of us who gets hung regularly.
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:09:33 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:Good idea Tony, hope you are never the victim. (Hmmm)
You have a job i would not envy, times are hard and will be getting harder.. It seems to me there is an ever increasing desire for war from all sides.
Been thinking about my dad and the men's coop. Considering the down slide in morality, the coop idea might have possibilities especially when coupled with a gated community.
My idea is the community would be owned by the coop .. ( say a block of apartments) To become a member of the gated or coop you have to live to a set of moral commitments. (Including spousal abuse , drug use (guidelines would need to be developed. (lol right after we hang Tony for something he might do or could have done.. (",)
All an
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do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others
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Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 7:21 AM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?Iran has seem to have solved the problem by being able to hang the victim.--
On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 9:40:49 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:BBC's 'Panorama' produced a documentary last night on 'Baby P' - Peter Connelly killed at 17 months after much abuse 7 years ago. The perpetrators were jailed, scum of little interest. There was a serious case review, generally a hapless procedure of whitewash here. It now seems this and other reports were a fix to pin blame on social services - in fact all agencies involved were useless, social services perhaps less so than the politicians and others. Obviously, no reasonable society would want this kind of vicious cover-up at all or not to know what really went on for 7 years, given we should want to put things right (the 'learning lessons' rhetoric).Britain is an intensely secretive society. I don't even know why we got involved in the two world wars, let alone Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria. When I think of Gabby or Germans I have actually met, I have even less idea on the world wars. I doubt ignorance is my problem in this - it's just clear the general stuff we are given is bunk. When one researches social issues from war to child abuse, the reality shifts a long way from the history of Empire I was taught and the idea our politicians and bureaucracy operate in any competent way.In another case, in Rotherham, more than 1400 victims of child sexual exploitation were further abused by all the services they encountered. In this case, a young, female Home Office researcher had her work destroyed and was threatened by two police officers who said they were going to give her name and address to the abusers. There are so many other cases I doubt I could finish writing their outline within a couple of days. This is before one thinks about our banks and business practices, and revolting breaches of trust by priests, teachers and cops.Who can we even tell when it is almost impossible to think of any speedy and fair investigations and resolutions - or even admissions of wrong-doing by our establishments? This before you realise cops and other agencies quickly brief against victims and other complainants.
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