Re: Mind's Eye Re: time of death

I can understand your frustration with people that use "Facts" in spurious ways.  I, however, don't look at them as frauds but rather clever magicians.  If we existed in a time long ago they would be the "witch doctors" of the village.

There are walls that exist in science which many try to climb using ladders made of a substance called "speculation".  This works really well because it keeps the heretics at bay that have a different or opposing view on origins.   Come up with a plausible but untested theorem and everyone who dissents get the wonderful label of "denier".

TonyM

On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 11:16:19 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

You can feel free to come in to a conversation without knocking, at any time. A "Big Bang" can also mean "spectacular love making". And it doesn`t have to be noisy.  The way I understand "big bang" as discussed by physicists, is "a sudden unexpected birth".  I do not really know exactly what Stephen Hawking has to say about the "Big Bang", but from what I know about what he says about reality , it is very far from "the reality of true reasoning". He is like Einstein, a mathematician. With math, you can find the numbers to prove anything you want. And using the mathematical concept of infinity, anything and everything can and does happen. I consider both Hawkings and Einstein as genius frauds, like Picasso, who are marketed to impress gullible people. There are some things that I believe can be assumed to be true. One of them is that everyone and everything living dies at one point. An other is that know body really knows what happens after we die. 

On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 3:15:09 PM UTC+2, facilitator wrote:

I don't have a question.  I was responding to the originator and further elaborating my position, also I decided to address a common misnomer.  I am not sure what you are referring to in any of what I responded to as "Fundamentalist Christianity".  I will assume that somehow you are not using a common mislead to somehow denigrate me or my answers.  If you have any problem with a particular I wrote just ask and I will respond in kind.  That would be more civil.   Previously someone mentioned the "Big Bang" as a starting point of time.  This is scientifically incorrect.  Sound does not travel in the vacuum of space and a quantum singularity is not big.  When I discuss origins I like to keep it within reality of true reasoning.  All of what I have said up to this point, again, is to respond to the question: "What happens at the "Time" of death.   Did I come in the door before knocking?

TonyM

"Beauty is not in the eye of the beholder, but in the eye of the imaginative"

On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 3:28:11 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Strange, your statements sound like fundelmentlist christianity.  So what is your question?

Allan H
A Living Soul


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Subject: Mind's Eye Re: time of death

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to stir anything it is just my way of creating a "Footing" or foundation to begin the process of clarification so I can better understand the questions posed.

Time is an invention of the living.  It did not start with the quantum singularity incorrectly termed "The Big Bang" . The universe existed in some for before this event and may well preclude with an anti-event.   In other words the universe is not a repeating decimal nor does it have quantifiable limits.

Anyway, I am sorry for your loss.

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 6:40:12 PM UTC-4, Molly wrote:

I just had one of my favorite people on earth pass away and will spend the weekend at his services.  He was a big part of my life for may decades as a mentor, father figure, friend.  Makes me wonder: what do you think happens at the time of our death? What becomes of "us"? If we go on, how do we relate to those we leave behind, especially immediately following death?

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