There is a very valid answer many people are not willing to accept. That is "I don't know" It is also the starting point of wisdom and knowledge. To explain I need to clarify some "misnomers" as someone stated. Just maybe it is time to lift the veil of fog surrounding the temple of ignorance.
You are only semi correct as audio sound can not travel through a vacuum. there is a problem there as space even in there are particles of matter. But to examine the properties of sound in simple terms, Audio sound is the vibration of particles there in lies your problem your ears can only detect a very small spectrum of these vibrations. Joey my dog can hear a much greater spectrum of vibration. In the USA sometimes i could even hear the vibration of electricity through the wires carrying electrical energy.
Now to carry this a step further there logically anything that vibrates can be classified as a form of sound. Now some of these vibrations can be so slow that they take many millions of eons to go through one simple cycle before starting on the next cycle. Also cycles or sound cycles can be into extremely high rate well beyond our levels of hearing into sound cycles we know as light ,, in these levels of sound vibration our world is filled with light .. oh my gosh there goes that pesky statement again : "'let there be light." Maybe Buzz Lightyear puts it correctly "to infinity and beyond."
There is much more that I do not know than what i do know. I am finding the more I learn the less i know if for no other reason knowledge is so vast it is beyond my ability to comprehend it.
Tony You have a lot of problems with the big bang theory. Understand it is just a theory. And one of the problems is by the theorem of the big bang you could not have been there for the simple reason your body did not exist. If you were there you would be admitting different forms of reality do exist. Big problem.
Allan
A Living Soul
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You are only semi correct as audio sound can not travel through a vacuum. there is a problem there as space even in there are particles of matter. But to examine the properties of sound in simple terms, Audio sound is the vibration of particles there in lies your problem your ears can only detect a very small spectrum of these vibrations. Joey my dog can hear a much greater spectrum of vibration. In the USA sometimes i could even hear the vibration of electricity through the wires carrying electrical energy.
Now to carry this a step further there logically anything that vibrates can be classified as a form of sound. Now some of these vibrations can be so slow that they take many millions of eons to go through one simple cycle before starting on the next cycle. Also cycles or sound cycles can be into extremely high rate well beyond our levels of hearing into sound cycles we know as light ,, in these levels of sound vibration our world is filled with light .. oh my gosh there goes that pesky statement again : "'let there be light." Maybe Buzz Lightyear puts it correctly "to infinity and beyond."
There is much more that I do not know than what i do know. I am finding the more I learn the less i know if for no other reason knowledge is so vast it is beyond my ability to comprehend it.
Tony You have a lot of problems with the big bang theory. Understand it is just a theory. And one of the problems is by the theorem of the big bang you could not have been there for the simple reason your body did not exist. If you were there you would be admitting different forms of reality do exist. Big problem.
Allan
A Living Soul
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From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: time of death
Well said: "How do we rely on a mystery…?
-- Although I don't believe we can communicate with the dead I don't see death as much of a different state than life. I look at it more like the caterpillar and the butterfly. It is not really necessary that they communicate only that each does its part. In the case of humans, because we can reason, we are unfortunately, the "Larva teaching the larva how to fly"!
On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 7:04:34 AM UTC-4, Molly wrote:
On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 7:04:34 AM UTC-4, Molly wrote:
Good point. How do we rely on a mystery, and how much of our life do we attach to it? In the realm of cause and effect, we can be mighty. But part of life is beyond that, out of our control, yet a big part of the "fate" or "destiny" or "mystery" that unfolds as we live. The clarity of our understanding of life's grand design (or as Neil suggests, consciousness), or recognition of consciousness, may be key, and integral to our organic nature that is more than physical, but includes the physical. Until we get a taste of the unity of all life, we continue to see only separation. The dead and the living. Us and them. Me and it. Within the many, all relate. The paradox of the one and the many.
On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 6:44:46 PM UTC-4, facilitator wrote:Intuition can be refined and honed over time. If it comes from others long gone, I would have it instantly with no need to nurture my instincts.I believe intuition comes from clarity of thought. We have so much untapped wisdom and knowledge and our brains are barely used. I guess part of this dilemma is how much stock or reliance do we put in the ethereal.PeaceTM
On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 4:54:46 PM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:Where do you think your intuitions come from ? How can you prove your intuitions and feelings do not come from the loved ones that you have lost?
On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 8:53:16 PM UTC+2, facilitator wrote:Hi Andrew!Feeling feelings does not equate with talking (communicating) with the dead. Feelings are one thing conversations are another. How would one delineate between the two? I have plenty of intuition and feelings but these are not from people that have passed on. No signature.™"God is an atheist" (™)
On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 2:47:00 PM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:If you are hearing voices,then you probably have some deep mental problem. Intuition is not hearing voices, but feeling feelings.
On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 7:54:14 PM UTC+2, facilitator wrote:Hi Andrew,How can you be certain of the source? Intuition is one thing and voices are another. (I am using the term "voices" broadly here and not restricted to audible sound) Surely, if as you say, communication with the dead is common, how would one distinguish one voice from millions of others?
On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 1:13:23 PM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:I think that the dead communicating with the living IS common and quite evident. It happens to all of us every day. It is called intuition. These are in the form of spontaneous thoughts and personal coincidences. Although we can not be deaf to this form of communication, most chose to ignore it or deny the source and take personal credit for it.
On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:16:56 PM UTC+2, facilitator wrote:Hi Molly!By "relations" if you mean between those who have died and those alive, yes. "If" there is a form we take after we die it would no longer be a physical entity that could communicate with the living. If that were the case then it would be common and quite evident, nothing would prevent it from being a ubiquitous experience worldwide, especially considering the fact that there are countless more "Dead" than living. The "stuff" we are accustomed to of course is the Hollywood version where somehow the dead can sporadically communicate with the living.This, I think, is a cruel injustice but a necessary one so that we appreciate life and those around us that much more.Peace,Tony M
On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 9:42:15 AM UTC-4, Molly wrote:I like your style, Tony, and thanks for the response to my query and the heart felt sympathy. So you think all relations stop when the body dies?
On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 9:15:09 AM UTC-4, facilitator wrote:I don't have a question. I was responding to the originator and further elaborating my position, also I decided to address a common misnomer. I am not sure what you are referring to in any of what I responded to as "Fundamentalist Christianity". I will assume that somehow you are not using a common mislead to somehow denigrate me or my answers. If you have any problem with a particular I wrote just ask and I will respond in kind. That would be more civil. Previously someone mentioned the "Big Bang" as a starting point of time. This is scientifically incorrect. Sound does not travel in the vacuum of space and a quantum singularity is not big. When I discuss origins I like to keep it within reality of true reasoning. All of what I have said up to this point, again, is to respond to the question: "What happens at the "Time" of death. Did I come in the door before knocking?TonyM"Beauty is not in the eye of the beholder, but in the eye of the imaginative"
On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 3:28:11 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:Strange, your statements sound like fundelmentlist christianity. So what is your question?
Allan H
A Living Soul
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Subject: Mind's Eye Re: time of deathJust to be clear, I'm not trying to stir anything it is just my way of creating a "Footing" or foundation to begin the process of clarification so I can better understand the questions posed.--Time is an invention of the living. It did not start with the quantum singularity incorrectly termed "The Big Bang" . The universe existed in some for before this event and may well preclude with an anti-event. In other words the universe is not a repeating decimal nor does it have quantifiable limits.Anyway, I am sorry for your loss.
On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 6:40:12 PM UTC-4, Molly wrote:I just had one of my favorite people on earth pass away and will spend the weekend at his services. He was a big part of my life for may decades as a mentor, father figure, friend. Makes me wonder: what do you think happens at the time of our death? What becomes of "us"? If we go on, how do we relate to those we leave behind, especially immediately following death?
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