Re: Mind's Eye Tired With the Internet

Hah Allan, we have almost similar results then. I get frozen in
regression analysis too easily and go silent (master of silence) or veer
into dark humor, and well, you can be a rascal to say the least! :p I
tend to think there is a common thread driving various human behavior
and that keeps me from gnawing my old shaggy foot too badly, or taking
things too seriously. I just hope that when the global AI comes online
it doesn't divide by zero when it explores what we write, hopefully it
sounds nonsensical enough to prevent any damage. Andrew shared his
puzzle piece, I've been collecting ashes but am starting to accept the
diamonds in the rough analogy. A favorite quote of mine comes from 1984,
paraphrased, that the mind is infinitely malleable, so friend godspeed
to us. :)

On 4/10/2014 12:37 AM, Allan H wrote:
> Ah my (our) friend James, Ik (dutch equivalent to I) have often
> thought of using Ik instead of I, the ¿question is would people
> understand what you or one or Ik am trying say?
> Ik do agree that Ik do use the word I far to much. The word I has such
> an egoistic ring to it, and that bothers me personally. Ik do
> understand what you are saying. ¿Could Ik be a possible solution?
> ¿? Ik can only pull those punctuation marks on my phone or tablet
> using android.
> What Ik do like about the modern computer & internet technology s ts
> ability to help and improve my communication skills which are not of
> the highest level in my case.
> Ik treasure a lot of the public programs on TV including public
> radically which in not readily available. May be Ik need to check play
> store maybe threats s an app available.
>
>
> ( Matrix ~ Do No Harm
> ) ~ Soul controls body
> [_D ~ Allan H
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James <ashkashal@gmail.com>
> To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Tired With the Intenet
>
> There is much unharnessed potential to these technologies and I
> consider it a double edge. On one hand if we demanded more from the
> media and internet then more would become available, in the sense of
> continuous progressive innovation. The useful mob gets fast food,
> faceboot, and soapbox religion/economics. I think people would get a
> better feeling from problem solving and advancing knowledge, having
> access to useful information/expertise when/where they need it. We are
> at the point where we can implement something like Andrew's just in
> time approach on a grand scale, of course if we don't get a handle on
> old world notions of security it could blow up in our faces just as
> grand. Growing pains perhaps? On the other hand it may be a good thing
> we have so many distractions to escape into when needed.
>
> I keep a watch on how people develop solutions to a problem, in my
> case I dumped all traditional media in favor of a yearly glance at
> Media Matters and listen to public talk radio. Most else comes in
> through research and development sources. I like seeing people work
> out flexible solutions that make the controlled bubble worlds of
> media/corporate/gov't interests irrelevant, especially if a joke is
> thrown in about intrinsic obsolescence.
>
> I (say "I" too much) ..am curious what solutions to the problems
> members here envision making a positive impact on the world ..have a
> inkling that it starts with how we work around those problems in
> private then expands from there. What do you think?
>
> On 4/8/2014 1:18 PM, Gabby wrote:
>> Feeling depressed because of the internet would be like being
>> depressed of what the newspaper is selling me. Yes, I'm paying for
>> what I hope is a daily quality check of what has evolved as
>> proclaimed truths, for its filter function, and for the attempt to
>> act as something like a common denominator. The old idea of Bildung
>> and Aufklärung as something being made the subject of
>> objectification, thus criticisable.
>>
>> The internet is young compared to us. And yet one can get drunk both
>> on old wine in new skins or on new wine in old bottles. Time for us
>> oldies to sober up and the teenagers to drown the wisdom teeth
>> growing pains online. I can relate to the pedagogical implications of
>> our altered realities but find something is going completely in the
>> wrong direction when speaking of the "digital dividend" that is to be
>> gained.
>>
>> Am Montag, 7. April 2014 15:36:02 UTC+2 schrieb archytas:
>>
>> I haven't bought a newspaper in years and don't miss them. I
>> read a few blogs, but mostly there is nothing to read. Sometimes
>> you can find solutions to a washing machine problem or various
>> Microsoft ones they are in denial about. But searching is
>> increasingly tough as one is waylaid by adverts. I've just had
>> to install word 2013 an unlike my free LibreOffice I get error
>> messages. I'll bet the answer is really simple, but the ones I'm
>> finding more or less suggest 'strip your computer to its core'!
>>
>> On Sunday, 6 April 2014 21:54:35 UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>
>> I go along with Allan and Molly. I'm not interested in baby
>> pictures or most things to do with family, but I'm abnormal
>> in such respects and can value other people having space to
>> do their stuff. I'm disappointed the lowest common
>> denominator has taken over, much as it did in film and
>> television. But then I don't like the so-called high arts
>> either! I've done stuff like video conferencing and live
>> distance assessments. I do a thing with some colleagues
>> where we can all see each other as though we were in the same
>> room and we hear what is typed in any language in our via.
>> So far, the voice-based universal translators don't work.
>> Email and being able to chat with people in some of the
>> situations I worked in abroad has been good.
>>
>> What I'd hoped for was more influence on genuine democracy
>> and maybe new ways of thinking and working qualitatively
>> different to telecommuting. I work with machines that are
>> smarter than me once set off down the algorithm trail. I'd
>> hoped by now that kids might get taught science in a way that
>> lets the machines do the maths and that we would have found
>> ways for transparent accounting to change economics and
>> politics. I'd also like the news programmes to be in
>> something more ,like real-time with counter-data flashed up
>> as people claim such as 'staff in finance institutions are
>> fairly paid'. I thought we would have removed more of the
>> gatekeepers like Murdock, BBC and so on and be funding from
>> the bottom up. I should have no need of television channels
>> and be able to easily schedule my own. I know most of what I
>> want is possible. The business model is currently lacking.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 6 April 2014 17:07:50 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> I like the internet. The commercial garbage I don't like
>> , the Gutenberg project is fantastic many parts are
>> fantastic,, communication feature is great. There are
>> many many positives.
>> For me it helps over come some severe inabilities .. that
>> leaves gratitude but also realize there are those that
>> think they are God , but that is their perception
>> ..reality can be totally different
>>
>> ( Matrix ~ Do No Harm
>> ) ~ Soul controls body
>> [_D ~ Allan H
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Molly <moll...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
>> To: mind...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>
>> Sent: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 3:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Tired With the Intenet
>>
>> I'm having a hard time keeping up with the technology,
>> the software and hardware changes, as I have my hands in
>> much of it during the course of any day. for me, the
>> trick is keeping up with change and fulfilling all of the
>> necessary tasks with them. None of it would be anywhere
>> without the people behind the fingers inputing data and
>> making changes. The immediacy of the info brings us
>> leaps and bounds ahead, event in the way we relate. If
>> my daughter in law puts up a picture of my grand daughter
>> taking her first step, she gets a hundred comments from
>> folks around the world and in three or four different
>> languages. To me, that is amazing, our ability to share
>> milestones across the distance.
>>
>> Then there is the fact that I have never laid eyes on
>> anyone in here, yet enjoy communicating and keep
>> returning. Inexplicable connection.
>>
>> The Gutenberg project and google books allow me access to
>> rare books, and I love that. If I need a biblical
>> reference, I can find it from every version of the bible
>> in print. Go to a search engine, type in the first lines
>> of any poem or literary quote and you have access to the
>> bio and library of the author.
>>
>> In terms of the evolution of humanity, I wonder if it
>> isn't pulling us inward, toward introspection, as I watch
>> kids sitting side by side quietly tapping away on their
>> smartphones. Our connections are much more subtle than
>> they used to be. More of the unseen is revealed in
>> intuitive ways. At some point, the volume of info is
>> overwhelming so we begin to wonder, where is it leading
>> us. It does lead us somewhere, and if we have the wisdom
>> to follow and witness our relationship to it, we living
>> large.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 3:24:56 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic
>> wrote:
>>
>> Was thinking how the internet has changed, I actually
>> met my wife online using ICQ it was a chat room where
>> friends gathered. Had many an enjoyable chat now it
>> is more or less a dating conquest service.
>>
>> Personally I like discussion oddly other than my wife
>> I still have one other friend from that era. Maybe
>> I've changed. Today I look forward to emails from
>> mind eye group and a couple friends, follow my
>> family and cousins on face book. And play one game.
>>
>> The internet is good for looking up ideas but the
>> problem is the commercial garbage littering the
>> netscape.. computer and online has improved. But I am
>> tiring of the trash.
>>
>> ( Matrix ~ Do No Harm
>> ) ~ Soul controls body
>> [_D ~ Allan H
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: archytas <nwt...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
>> To: mind...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>
>> Sent: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 11:50 PM
>> Subject: Mind's Eye Tired With the Intenet
>>
>> Mt first real use of the internet was searching for
>> academic papers. Back then you probably had to get
>> hard copy via inter-library loan to actually be able
>> to read them. The ability to search was the great
>> advance. Physically browsing whatever your
>> university had in stock was always rather difficult.
>> It's much easier now, though outside science, this
>> has only increased my feeling the academy is a
>> redundant organ. The good thing about being at
>> university was it increased your chances of being
>> with people who might be interested in something
>> other than gossip, small talk and fuck-buddying. I
>> said ' increased your chances' - universities are
>> full of trivial behaviour and mass match-making.
>>
>> I rather hoped the internet would be a place to
>> escape the trivial and be a place for dialogue of the
>> authentic, sincere, comedic and speculative. I
>> believed this possible because we could search each
>> other out. Currently I feel it is better than main
>> media, but then so is walking the dog. Most of my
>> online time is spent in intranets, usually tutoring
>> or searching databases of knowledge or institutional
>> facts (stats usually). The internet as I'd like to
>> see it doesn't seem to be happening. Quite a lot of
>> the other stuff I do on lone is illegal, like
>> watching films to discover they weren't worth buying
>> in the first place, or watching television without
>> adverts or promos. I can still see potential, but
>> the changes I'd hoped for just haven't materialised.
>> How's everyone else feeling?
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