Re: Mind's Eye Re: Tired With the Internet

I remember it from the 60's too.   Belonged to one n Seattle, the problem was free loaders.  Could be setup anywhere including Detroit.

The problems come from greed and laziness. It would take a lot of planning. The commune would work best involved with other projects and even better if connected with the Catholic or orthodox churches (stability reasons , but that is my opinion.) My opinion Malta would be the best place to start it. Small size small population less than 1/2 million, English one of the official languages, part of the EU, independent and religious orientation.
I know Neil you're atheist,, but I do not see what that has to do with anything..  lol
 

(    Matrix ~ Do No Harm
  )        ~ Soul controls body
[_D ~ Allan H

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From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 4:51 PM
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back to the 60s communal living is interesting, don't see much of it happening around here. Have many retiring friends talking about it, but haven't seen anyone doing it.

On Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:42:15 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

That I understand, there is  lot of ideas that can work. In the current economic climate. To me communities might provide an answer. Communities where food and shelter are provided, but no one rides for free. (I am retire but I have an retirement income and there are other things that can do besides nothing.) Everyone can use some pocket change but income is for community use. Luud's and my combined income is in excess of say $20,000+ (after taxes) which is not much but combine that with 10 other couples  that would provide an income of $20,000 per month to support around 20 people, that is actually  lot of money when carefully handled lol Neil would have to create a new banking system to handle it.  A 15 story greenhouse will supply food and fish for around 50,000 people is not so much a problem..  what obstacles can be overcame. It is a matter of doing it and making plans aka putting the project together.

(    Matrix ~ Do No Harm
  )        ~ Soul controls body
[_D ~ Allan H

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From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 4:13 PM
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generators that collect and distribute static energy have been around for decades, and graphene can turn salt water into drinking water, but bringing such things to market in the post industrial society under the current economic and political systems proves to be too much of a challenge. I don't think these things can be suppressed forever.  Technology changes rapidly, what the market offers us is a fraction of what can be.  And it is still hard to keep up with...

On Sunday, April 13, 2014 9:25:04 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Ah yes driving, Ik have developed epilepsy though a pain in the butt and is under control, as a blessing in disguise it is a great excuse not to drive. Detroit  Netherlands hmm Netherlands Detroit  I would nominate the drivers of Detroit for sainthood. Or may be close, but here the police are on coffee for 7 hrs 55 minutes of an 8 HR shift..  they have to clock in...  in the almost 14 years I have lived here only seen (personally) officers pull over 6 vehicles for traffic violations. Sit an chat with 5 or so friend out in the country , an officers will show up on bicycles tell you to disperse if you continue chatting a full blown squad in full riot gear will show up to help you disperse. :-) (information relayed via personal experience of a friend) l avoid all trouble.
Oh yes Detroit might come in a close 2nd as far as bad drivers go.

God's will are great buzz words (not a put down in your case Molly I know better).. since joining this group my beliefs have evolved from Catholic, (actually a strange in normal terms, but good relationship,) though heavily influenced by my up bringing and interactions with the church, personally I visualize it changing.. mostly a community (religious order) within the church .. with different traditions and path 


(    Matrix ~ Do No Harm
  )        ~ Soul controls body
[_D ~ Allan H

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Tired With the Intenet

I think like Abraham, we have to give it all up before we get it all back, (and then some) and this occurs to me daily. In terms of politics and economics, the game is rigged and yet, I do just fine. Is it because my expectations are few, or because in spirit, I could give life as I know it up today, or remove my will to allow the divine? What I have learned is that I am called to action in the moment.  And because collectively, one moment leads to the next, my course of action is set by answering the call.  Recognizing the call can be tricky.  

I was introduced to Our Lady of Guadalupe a couple years ago in Santa Fe.  I was excited, because I found the story to be much like the "woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars" - a line from Revelation that has occupied my contemplation for many years. In Our Lady's story, she was asked (by an angel) to give up what she was doing, something she believed in, to do something else.  It is easy for fear to set in when this comes into our lives, easy to not hear the call. But I think that both Our Lady of Guadalupe and the woman clothed in the sun are stories of the ascension of the holy spirit within us.  There can be no growth, without willingness to place our will aside and express divine will, requiring the wisdom to know the difference (until they are one in the same.)

I often wonder if the models of politics and economy in our experience, at this point, don't fall into place in service of divine will.  All provide the myriad levels of experience that allow growth.  If we all started out ascended, no growth would be necessary.  Seeing ourselves as perfect at every level is often difficult.  Fear, frustration, confusion and the rest overwhelm. Especially driving home from work. (there are more bad drivers in Detroit than anyone can imagine!) But it all allows us to feel, and feeling our experience in relation to our action and reaction allows us to understand self will and divine will because we feel it as expressed.

On Sunday, April 13, 2014 4:50:54 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

I think beyond pointing out the unchanging problems of the eons. I was taught that when you point  a finger at someone or something , you have three fingers pointing back at you with your thumb pointing own :-).
We know what the problems are, the real question is what are different possible solutions. We have a hilltop from which to let our candle light the world. Now the question is are we sheep being lead to the slaughter, or do we have the courage wrong, backing our words with personal actions and wealth.

(    Matrix ~ Do No Harm
  )        ~ Soul controls body
[_D ~ Allan H

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