Monday, March 24, 2014

Re: Mind's Eye Big bang theory

I suppose for anyone dead inside, that would be true.  I see alot of homeless walking around cities with a vacant look in their eyes.  And yet, who knows, they may be more free than any of us who feel the weight of our possessions. 

On Monday, March 24, 2014 7:00:50 AM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:
Molly, dear, you're talking as if you were double dead commenting on the walking dead! That script has already been written! Great fear factor, yes, asking how fit for freedom you are. Ähem.


2014-03-24 11:38 GMT+01:00 Molly <moll...@gmail.com>:
We evolve and devolve (during trauma and crisis) while living life.  The possibility of evolution is for all of us.  Not all of us can or do, probably related to the structure of freedom. Yet it seems to me that our own perception of freedom creates its structure, and our viewpoint, our evolution.


On Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:07:03 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
Bend me, shape me, any way you want me - possibly the naffest song ever.  The tiny "space" with the potential of everything in it, was relativistic fluid and had bubbles and a scalar field.  The main source of the gravitational waves is the noise the bubbles make.  Einstein and Rosen's 1930s paper is here - http://www.geocities.ws/astronet_2008/ondas_grav.pdf

Prizes for the first proper description of a relativistic fluid:
1. A week with Allan discussing same with the souls of a chimpanzees' tea party located in time before humans.
2. An invitation to cemetery watch hosted by Gabby.

The god question is not helped by physics.  I rather like the idea of a religion of fact-fearing people, as one might live in fear of god.  I don't like the idea that we just live and wait to become star-trekkers with the same dumb attitudes as now.  Freedom has structure, is structured.  Looking back at big bang may be a blinkered view.  There's a prawn that navigates using distant stars.  Might we do something similar?  We've had a glimpse in astrology, however dumb that is.  Dung beetles use the Milky Way - http://www.cell.com/current-biology/retrieve/pii/S0960982212015072

Something in evolution is in tune with the cosmos without quantum or relativity theorising.

On Sunday, 23 March 2014 10:47:20 UTC, RP Singh wrote:
The freedom we have is bound by constraints and shaped and tuned by the very nature of the Spirit within us. And yet we act and behave with a will of our own , and that we are destined is the paradox.


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Gabby Thiede <gabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
God gave us the freedom to draw the lines wherever and however we wish, to shape them to triangles and boxes, to bend them to circles, etc., etc., yes.

 

Am 23.03.2014 um 04:19 schrieb RP Singh <123...@gmail.com>:

If you think of God as a person He is your God , but if you think of Him as the Spirit within each of us , the animate and the inanimate , the living and the dead, then He is also my God.


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Gabby Thiede <gabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, the evercoming "box" men seems to be materially and psychologically locked in, does not really demand a differentiation between the (creation of) universe and (creation of) life, does it? They rather my god is not your god, right?

 

Am 21.03.2014 um 02:25 schrieb RP Singh <123...@gmail.com>:

Allan , I am saying the same thing.


On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
My God existed before big bang..


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:34 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Big Bang occurred in zero volume , that is , zero space. Space , matter , time all came out of Mind , Spirit , God or Atman. Space is a creation , as is time and matter , and that from which it has sprung is the Spirit or God.


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pre existence of non existence.

According to the big bang theory a point smaller than an atom. Actually I can buy that simply because that is the direction the scientific evidence points to that concept.

Problems; non existence is the absence of everything including empty space.   :-) the problem is empty space is something if for no other reason it has volume in which the big bang can expand into. In a way this is extremely interesting as it proves the existence of nothing (lol).

The 2nd problem; Mass , yes mass  even with Andrew's guess of 100 meters does not even come anywhere near the mass contained within our universe. Molly suggests it coming from the center of another universe. Does that make for a big bang?

 Are we not beginning to look at ideas from a different perspective. For the big bang to occur is to be able to expand into nothing. Could that nothing actually by God, with the ¿essence? Of God creating the matter to crested and expand the universe. Could we be at the beginning of proving the existence of God?


(    Matrix ~ Do No Harm
  )        ~ Soul controls body
[_D ~ Allan H

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <moll...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Big bang theory

maybe the excess mass came from the vortex of another universe.  The original spark of life question is an interesting one, and we usually attribute the answer to faith.


On Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:32:42 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
I have read and reread your statement several times.  It seems what you are claiming is the pre existence of non existence.

(    Matrix ~ Do No Harm
  )        ~ Soul controls body
[_D ~ Allan H

-----Original Message-----
From: andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Big bang theory

You can look at the big bang of our universe like a birth. A union of a very small sperm and egg (too small to see) "grows" into a very large adult. Nature is chaotic. The patterns we see it its largest level are very similar to the patterns we see at its smallest level. "Space" is just a stage to move and grow in and "time" is just a measurement of moving.  If that is too simple for you, then you can use Einstein`s mathematical modeling of it.  

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:08:35 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
I should never get asking questions because it just leads to more questions . ¿From the pinpoint of creation just what did our universe expand into and continue to expand into? It can not be the universe because it doesn't .. it can not be time because time does not exist beyond the edge.. if it is expanding at the speed of light just what is at or beyond the universe traveling beyond the speed of light? What is happening that we can even detect these super speed objects through their red shift?  ¿ questions, confusing questions?

(    Matrix ~ Do No Harm
  )        ~ Soul controls body
[_D ~ Allan H

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan H <allan...@gmail.com>
To: "mind...@googlegroups.com" <mind...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 9:52 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Big bang theory

The are saying they have found the remnants of the very first moments of this universe. I am listening program that is saying the big bang came from a point that is smaller than a single atom.

Odd to me that would be evidence that our universe came from within a being greater than this  universe?  How can you explain the increase of matter contained within the universes as we normally perceive it? Its mass is far beyond the size of a single atom.

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