Re: Mind's Eye mistaken origins

I heard that Germany made smart moves toward energy sustainability ahead
of the pack and VW makes some engines that can endure a lean fuel ratio
pretty well. Not sure how to turn that to my favor regarding red
handedness. I would like to gain more experience in R&D but am locked
into the grind and busyness, it was nice to see an exhaust system idea I
had used by BMW but judging the performance they didn't go with the best
design. I may have missed your point too. :)

What I meant was that we squandered a golden era of wealth in pursuing
selfishness while social progress took the back seat. I think justice is
defined by the vision and capacity to perceive the lacking of it, it
colors the world in a way that many can consider an unnecessary
expenditure but for those who cannot turn off that perception ideally
will emerge volition for compassion to recreate the picture into a story
worth sharing for generations regardless of identity or group memberships.

On 12/31/2013 4:38 PM, Gabby wrote:
> I don't know if I would go as far as saying that our work ethics
> corrupts our otherwise perfect identities, but certainly Vorsprung
> durch Technik helps to not getting caught red handed. There goes your
> eyes and memory.
>
> Am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2013 05:43:03 UTC+1 schrieb Ash:
>
> There seems to be an impenetrable veil crafted by identity that
> makes us
> weave a tale of vitality and protects from a colder harshness, it
> seems
> against the suffocation of invisibility. I used to think adults
> were a
> more dangerous variety of children and would now like to look back
> and
> see people being people and have things fall into place. I am
> terrified
> of the spotlight but love to scout, my myth is more favorable than
> the
> practice it derives from like many others perhaps. I enjoy
> kindness but
> often have to temper a strong contempt for the society I know and
> see,
> honesty in that regard would've been the end of a young story, it
> would
> destroy the present as well, though circumstances seem almost
> opposite.
> Funny. Old habits and lessons are hard to overcome, I know of
> truth as a
> trial that demands courage without an ounce of aesthetic, everything
> comes from the bottom-up, but I am missing the other half of the
> story
> (or my story). That half involves artificial boundaries arising from
> identity, myth and practice (for me). It is odd to see and know
> but be
> barred from belief.
>
> Moving on.. :) I get the impression that what we see in dishonesty
> and
> usury is a suspension of cultural progress, reflected in individual
> maturity as an inability to mentally overcome those challenges.
> Those in
> power have everything to gain whether in personal, professional or
> governance by rewards for callous and sometimes sociopathic
> manipulations. Part of the myth that perpetuates this seems to be the
> prestige of success, as if it were a character virtue. On practical
> grounds I agree that we need to promote and sometimes tolerate
> those who
> are capable and willing to get the job done but very little of
> this is
> in the public discourse, shining the light into one area moves the
> problem, cockroaches are likely a fitting image in some cases. I have
> heard that Germans have a similar work ethic to Americans Gabby, I
> wonder if your prisons are as full. Justice resides in the eyes and
> memory alone, I think.
>
> On 12/17/2013 10:57 AM, Gabby wrote:
> > Only a fool would want to take a picture of transparency and then
> > render it with the right movie maker software to become a star.
> >
> > Am Sonntag, 15. Dezember 2013 21:44:34 UTC+1 schrieb archytas:
> >
> > Origin blurrs and is forever deferred. Our memories are
> > inventive, future mapping, capable of seeing virtual, coloured
> > worlds of the 'beige' universe and outcomes where there will
> be no
> > evidence only narratives. Politicians and other crooks
> organise
> > for there only to be narrative recall. We could organise
> now for
> > evidence to be prioritised more. This remains tough where
> > declaring the evidence is to disclose it to the enemy as in our
> > war situations, but one can see the principle in such as the
> > Duggan Inquest. You can google the 12 weeks of transcripts
> only
> > to discover 5 seconds of good CCTV would tell you more than
> many
> > days of testimony and deliberation. I think we could establish
> > more 'evidence miracles' across society. Of course, Allan
> and I
> > would not carry cameras on a quest for the soul.
> >
> > On Sunday, 15 December 2013 11:20:06 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
> >
> > Both Bush and Blair wanted to be the glorious war time
> > leader.. the problem there is you can not start the
> war.. as
> > for their making peace with god.. well I am not them,,
> As for
> > the notion of the soul is not mine,, It oddly is a concept
> > that appears to flow through all beliefs from very
> beginning
> > of man through our time.. the soul is a commonality of
> > mankind.. an idea that I have been exploring
> unfortunately
> > you have been dragged along with me on this journey ,
> it is
> > nice to explore an idea that is true and has value..
> one of
> > those rare gem stones..
> >
> > Politicians the old definition for a politician was a
> > professional liar.. so you can expect no more.. all one
> can
> > do is realize what their profession really is. In a
> period of
> > my life to do my job I had to become a professional
> liar.. I
> > Needed to become super good guy and super bad guy at the
> same
> > moment.. not an healthy emotional place to be in and I
> did
> > pay a heavy price.. Difference is I knew the truth of who I
> > really was and so did my colleges that I worked with.. we
> > knew what was lies.. and that allows one to keep a healthy
> > orientation toward truth,, I could tell you anything
> to the
> > point off passing any lie detector test. What I could
> not due
> > is lie to myself.. I had to live in reality no how bad it
> > really was.. strangely knowing and searching for truth
> leads
> > to spirituality.. not churchianity where most people
> end up..
> >
> > The ultimate search is for our origins.. in my case I
> find my
> > origin is in my Soul.. for me it is not a mistaken origin.
> >
> > Matrix -- Soul rules the body
> > ( -- Do No Harm
> > )
> > [_D Allan H
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: archytas <nwt...@gmail.com>
> > To: mind...@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 2:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye mistaken origins
> >
> > I have a lot of time fro what Andrew and Pol say on
> this. I
> > don't approve of lying, though can see some
> circumstances when
> > one must. Development of virtue on an internal basis
> allows
> > the dreadful state of what passes for politics and an
> > increasingly corrupt academy and media. I don't mean any
> > attack on Allan's notion of soul here, or religious
> > development that is genuinely universal, or philosophy in
> > terms of 'unbewitching language'. It's that point at
> with the
> > likes of Blair and Bush lay claim to have made peace
> with god
> > when they are concealing their dirty hands. At times in
> the
> > past truth was no concern, only who was speaking and I
> feel we
> > are now stuck with an elite doing exactly this. We have
> whole
> > disciplines like economics and most business teaching that
> > have no basis in truth or free enquiry. I believe this is
> > part of deep-rooted elitism that starts with the classics,
> > tragedy and virtue ethics that is little more than
> > rationalisation. The free table was part of this, so even
> > communism has root in slavery. amongst other things
> this has
> > left us with an education system focused on material most
> > can't really get into.
> >
> > Here I can say 'All British are liars. I am British' sure
> > that all this means concerns cracking a few grins. In
> > philosophy the second proposition is counterexample to the
> > first. Both cannot be true in a certain view of language
> > logic, but we are aware of the ironic meaning. I never
> took
> > much to 'all swans are white, therefore there are no black
> > swans'. There turned out to be some in Australia, but
> in more
> > modern language the clue is they have black pigmentation
> round
> > the eyes and could genetically manipulate that in the main
> > body feathers. There is a long history from Socrates'
> doxa,
> > through Bacon's Idols, Descartes' radical doubt,
> Nietzsche's
> > more radical doubt, Wittgenstein's biological-iconic
> view of
> > language to more recent work (Dan Sperber) that we have
> > argument wrong. I want to doubt without leaving us in an
> > anything goes morality or relying on heroes of argument
> like
> > politicians taking us into wars we don't want.
> >
> > On Saturday, 14 December 2013 20:55:22 UTC, Allan
> Heretic wrote:
> >
> > I ended up putting a lot of time into philosophy. In
> > starting it was not by choice and did not expect my
> life
> > to become an obsession.
> >
> > I have been very blessed with people who have the
> ability
> > to sift through the dross and then share their precious
> > gems with me.
> >
> > Thank You you are a treasure.
> >
> > Matrix : Soul controls mind.
> > ( : Do No Harm
> > [_D Allan H
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: archytas <nwt...@gmail.com>
> > To: mind...@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 7:24 PM
> > Subject: Mind's Eye mistaken origins
> >
> > I sunk a lot of costs in philosophy. The stuff was
> around
> > at university and research was supposed to require
> > epistemology. Some of the experience was enjoyable.
> It
> > didn't shake convictions I learned in science or as a
> > detective. Roughly put there is evidence and the
> rest is
> > piss and wind. Evidence relies on audiences capable of
> > understanding and these are rare. I even bought a book
> > called 'Audiences' to learn more, but like most
> academic
> > books and papers, it disappointed. You have to read an
> > awful lot of dross to find the few gems. Whilst doing
> > this you can be suckered , even seduced by arguments
> that
> > convince that you are on a righteous path to truth.
> The
> > Greeks, probably copying and developing more eastern
> work,
> > pondered a lot on virtue ethics, living in a slave
> economy
> > and seemingly unaware the edifice built was ideal for
> > cheats who could feign integrity; a system ideal for
> jerks
> > living off the labour of others and worse.
> >
> > It's tough being honest, even to the extent one of the
> > biggest lies we are told is that honesty is the best
> > policy. Most systems I've experienced are designed to
> > prevent honesty. We use manners, etiquette and due
> > process instead. Evidence is replaced by human
> recall of
> > what it was. We have chronic problems because of this.
> > Most of us are lousy eye-witnesses. I want to
> argue we
> > are trapped in Greek origins, the mentality of an elite
> > who routinely allowed and justified slavery.
> >
> > Anyone any ideas?
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