I think Marshall McLuhan would have enjoyed the notion of search engine as god, as I read his "media is the message" as predicting a leap in consciousness when the access to information became immediate - as it is now. God, as the spirit in all of us, becomes the vehicle for change.
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 12:51:01 AM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
-- On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 12:51:01 AM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
Faith is in the measure of balance, I haven't considered it of much
value until I saw the apple fall many times and by the time it hit the
ground it hadn't left the branch and I came to understand why I wouldn't
accept the certainty of things. One door opened and it wasn't one of the
thousands of thoughts racing around the labyrinth. For me, now that I
know just a tiny bit I am more willing to appreciate the principles
behind the classic apple and TANSTAAFL (which holds few surprises), a
little less bound to patient resignation. The form of my understanding
may be nonsense but for what it's worth neither position has been
precluded. A subjective position for your consideration.
On 7/1/2013 5:10 AM, Allan H wrote:
> lol heaven is what you make it ..one persons heaven could be someones
> elses hell and vice verse
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:50 AM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com
> <mailto:123...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Heaven and Hell are here only , Allan ,and it is your good luck if
> you escape the hell and enjoy the heaven.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> the laws of nature apply whether you know of them or not, the
> same applies to man's body.. now the only guide line the soul
> needs to follow is 'do no harm' but that can easily be
> broken.. now when your soul returns to it's natural realm how
> well it did in its humanize form that is another question..
> you will find out your test results later RP
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:23 AM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com
> <mailto:123...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Apples were falling to the ground from the beginning ,
> only man took it for granted and never thought that it was
> following laws of nature until Newton applied his mind and
> discovered the law of gravity.Similarly , Allan , man's
> will follows laws of Nature all the time but these very
> laws have not yet been discovered by man.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Allan H
> <allan...@gmail.com <mailto:allan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> RP an apple does not have free will it is bound to the
> laws of nature.. you ae not bound to these laws you
> have choice.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:03 PM, RP Singh
> <123...@gmail.com <mailto:123...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> It is from unconscious Nature that all proceeds in
> a chain , one leading to another.' Will' is just
> as free as the apple falling from the tree.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Allan H
> <allan...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I don't think God knows every thing that will
> happen.. that would create pre-destiny and
> that would eliminate the nature of free
> will.. Free will is an important part of this
> exam our souls are involved in by taking the
> life exam. You have to be able to chose your
> own solutions to the problems life puts before
> you.
>
> I do find the computer idea interesting.. and
> an interesting way of putting it.. as the
> economy .. as for over size institutions..
> well maybe the Canadians have it right by over
> regulating them.. there economy has not gone
> through the bubble and bursts that all of our
> economies have.. the US economy started the
> down hill slid with Reaganomics and
> deregulating the banks and Markets.. all that
> did was open the doors for the greedy and
> slimy souls to practice their ideas at the
> expense of the population.. the proper name
> for politicians, bankers and cawyers in the US
> is "cockroach"
>
> As for new or unique ideas I did see one the
> other day.. (completely off topic -- yet watch
> the video)
> http://bgobeyond.com/
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:02 PM, archytas
> <nwt...@gmail.com <mailto:nwt...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> It is true this idea can't resist your
> initial critique Allan. The metaphor is a
> bit shaky and we have seen it before as
> Laplace's Demon and its situation knowing
> everything that has happened and
> everything that will. The author's points
> can be found at the link. They aren't
> about god as any of us might consider
> he/she/it.
>
> Students make Francis' point all the time
> - but they actually don't know 'how to
> google' in any depth. Sites like Wiki and
> the BBC have given them information that
> satisfies teachers in schools, but they
> rarely find all the information and very
> little of the critique. The big mess
> search engines throw up is pretty banal.
> I'd no doubt produce more hits on a video
> of Maxwell eating my dentures than a
> listing of the details of my petrol from
> air machine. I occasionally set questions
> like 'find the earth's major energy source
> and critically evaluate the efficiency of
> the main processes that harness it' - this
> is a question about the sun and such as
> photosynthesis, but most seem not to know
> this post-Google.
>
> My own interest in this IT/IS question
> concerns "finance". Finance has long had
> a god-like quality in my thinking - if we
> think of the kind of gods that would turn
> any moral creature to Prometheus. Most of
> us in here know the plot - we should build
> safe homes for 2 billion people from
> Tornado Alley, British flood plains and on
> to Monsoon areas and so on. We should
> take local-global catastrophe seriously
> and even such matters as leaving the
> planet or biological form longer term.
> Instead we have finance acting as an
> unquestioned god on how we organise
> ourselves. There's a free PDF on the
> finance curse here
> -http://treasureislands.org/the-finance-curse-my-new-book/
>
> Information systems are potentially a way
> to free us from the finance gods without
> replacing them by State capitalism.
> Currently they give us more reason to
> worry about yet more intrusion into our
> lives by the powerful. We have problems
> conceptualising in areas like this because
> terms like "transparency" are both good
> and bad.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 29 June 2013 21:57:58 UTC+1,
> archytas wrote:
>
> If God did not exist � people would
> invent one! The development of
> human civilization requires mechanisms
> promoting cooperation and
> social order. One of these mechanisms
> is based on the idea that
> everything we do is seen and judged by
> God � bad deeds will be
> punished, while good ones will be
> rewarded (or was this Santa?). The
> Information Age has
> now fueled the dream that God-like
> omniscience and omnipotence can
> be created by man.
>
> This is an interesting way of thinking
> about information systems - full free
> paper at
> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.3271.pdf
>
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