simply because people do not obey the law or the law does not apply to them,
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:00 PM, rigs <rigs117@gmail.com> wrote:
Why doesn't the city have "No Littering/Loitering" laws? :-)
Strange that with free education and civil freedoms, so many problems
remain. Many of my parent's generation were glad to finish highschool
but they were cut from a different cloth of character.
On Jun 15, 2:51 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a thought Neil as you walk Max why not pick up some of the litter in
> gratitude for having 7 acres to walk Max in? I know stupid..
>
> why not challenge the history degree guy ans being unfit for the post??
> after all is that not what a democracy is supposed to be for?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:12 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I take all your points rigs - maybe not the Freudian one. I've just
> > walked Max in the 7-acre retreat round the corner. It's getting
> > summer use now and this means beer cans and other rubbish - almost as
> > sad as much that clutters the Internet, television and film.
> > Rather than blaming leaders (though literature on them as psychopaths
> > is legion) I want us to understand the system in which they emerge. I
> > think we could approach it from a number of 'points of origin'.
> > Biology is my first - essentially knowing more about what the
> > biological individual is in co-evolution (we consider 21 forms of
> > individual in the tripartite view). There is some scientific
> > sociology - social epidemiology (Richard Wilkinson) that tells us big
> > disparities in wealth within our societies is bad for health. I
> > generally doubt psychology and economics is largely a scholasticism of
> > the rich. Brain science is getting us somewhere, but is often over-
> > hyped. We need a wider systems theory (which would include art and
> > literature) - my sense of this is it would be about creating workable
> > democracy and not put up with the usual excuses given for us not to be
> > able to do the decent thing or swallow the latest old promises from
> > left or right.
>
> > Another place to start is in thinking what you or I (generally) would
> > or could do if we occupied a position like President or Chancellor.
> > Our current Chancellor (Osbourne) is a rich time-waster (Toff) with a
> > third-class degree in history and one wonders what role he could play
> > in economic discussion. But what advice would you or I get and how
> > would we dare go against it or try anything radical? I suspect we'd
> > be presented with a spreadsheet offering little real flexibility. No
> > politician anywhere in the world is offering a real Plan B. I'm
> > probably better trained in the subject area than you, but guess this
> > would make little, if any, practical difference in the power game. I
> > suspect we'd both be even worse if we'd been routinised through what's
> > needed to be done to get political power! The point of wondering what
> > anyone would do in power is really to build ideas of what power
> > practice is and rid ourselves of some of the dafter ideology involved
> > about leadership. Our leaders generally look like nodding donkeys of
> > the Establishment and in exasperation we might try the same strategy
> > and sing from the hymn-sheets we were given.
>
> > I generally think we need less of a very different type of government
> > and a key area for change concerns crime and corruption. Underlying
> > the change we clearly need is the 'deficit theory' of bringing people
> > up to knowledge speed to be able to make democratic decisions. I see
> > this as a hopeless cause and we should focus on the form of leadership
> > instead. Real technology, as opposed to Apple and Samsung toys could
> > give us a transparency that could change the form of leadership
> > (Barbara Kellerman's 'The End of Leadership' is a good introduction to
> > our fixations - you can get the drift free at Amazon).
>
> > I tend to think of god after a fair, secular order (very Spinoza) and
> > accept being here clinging to this rock is weird enough to leave
> > religion in our lives - if preferably out of mine if I have to profess
> > belief in talking snakes or locking girls up at 13.
> > On 14 June, 13:03, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Sounds Freudian. Blaming the leaders is like blaming parents and
> > > doesn't pass the "ignorance is no excuse" plea.
>
> > > On Jun 14, 1:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I agree with you Gabby,, like the idea of political leaders becoming
> > > > unfit,,that can apply to business and church leaders also; with rare
> > > > exception,
>
> > > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:55 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > There is a lot common to left and right positions - most of the
> > > > > arguments of both contain the same fallacies. I mean who in their
> > > > > right mind would suggest the way forward lies in creating Soviet or
> > > > > Maoist Paradise? Or the pathetic road to serfdom under the world's
> > > > > plutocrats? I rather like the idea of a union of free workers from
> > > > > Eurasia to the UK, but the Nazis were the last to advocate that. We
> > > > > talk about democracy as though there is one we can point to' Iran
> > has
> > > > > elections tomorrow and like the Soviets you can vote for a choice or
> > > > > leader from a list chosen by the real government (all hard-liners, or
> > > > > moderate hard-liners, or one hard-line moderate) - but were Brown-
> > > > > Cameron or Obama-Romney our choices (less so in the UK as we don't
> > > > > have primaries).
> > > > > Deep down, the races that produce leaders are entirely unfit at - er
> > -
> > > > > producing leaders. They are as relevant as sports in producing
> > > > > personalities. Anyone who can survive in our political parties
> > learns
> > > > > the political game and is thus unfit to be a representative. Left
> > and
> > > > > right are both neo-liberal and as voters we are so ignorant
> > > > > psychopaths convince us more readily than decent people. There are
> > > > > many alternatives given modern technology and sortition. Now we
> > can't
> > > > > even vote for a full-employment economy.
> > > > > The right has long wanted freedom from government, the left
> > government
> > > > > that frees us from government we don't vote for. Maybe we all want
> > > > > freedom from something else or the roads to this are not politics as
> > > > > we have the stuff?
>
> > > > > On 13 June, 21:28, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I tend to see the same principles operating on (leftish)
> > solidarity and
> > > > > > (righteous) tolerance. Like the Golden Calf that is never to grow
> > old and
> > > > > > wise enough to find its peace in a 70+ group, for instance, while
> > life is
> > > > > > spinning and spinning...
>
> > > > > > 2013/6/13 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > in
>
> > > > > > > Me I am a lefty I believe in the development of mankind not the
> > > > > individual
> > > > > > > or the individual greed.
> > > > > > > I can not defend my spiritual beliefs from the right.. I do not
> > have to
> > > > > > > defend them from the left..
>
> > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:14 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> Class, race, religious and other shoes rarely fit rigs. I'm not
> > > > > > >> really an old leftie either.
>
> > > > > > >> On 10 June, 13:01, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > Love to hear it sometime.
>
> > > > > > >> > On Jun 10, 7:49 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > > The shoe does not fit. I would identify myself as a
> > moderate and
> > > > > > >> > > independent. People assume I am a Liberal/leftie...but that
> > is
> > > > > another
> > > > > > >> > > story.
>
> > > > > > >> > > On Jun 8, 5:10 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > > > In terms of organising concepts like class rigs is a
> > > > > conservative
> > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > >> > > > I'm an old leftie. One would hope this is no reason for
> > us not
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >> > > > charitable to each other on a personal basis. And, of
> > course,
> > > > > none
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> > > > us conforms to such groups entirely. In fact I expect
> > everyone
> > > > > in
> > > > > > >> > > > this group is concerned with the collapse of civic
> > society in
> > > > > > >> > > > Machiavelli's terms as outlined with a few quotes above.
>
> > > > > > >> > > > On 8 June, 09:02, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > > > > You need to look into the activities of a lot of the
> > rich..
> > > > > > >> there where
> > > > > > >> > > > > some that were very good and honest but many of them
> > were no
> > > > > > >> more than
> > > > > > >> > > > > thieves that really did not like today give a damn
> > about any
> > > > > one
> > > > > > >> else other
> > > > > > >> > > > > than themselves.. you like glossed over history..
>
> > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:39 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > > > I doubt if America could have been the success it has
> > been
> > > > > > >> without the
> > > > > > >> > > > > > rich. Yes- there have been bad apples but who built
> > the
> > > > > > >> railroads, the
> > > > > > >> > > > > > cities, the factories, the war supplies, the
> > libraries, the
> > > > > > >> private
> > > > > > >> > > > > > universities, the medical industry, technology,etc?
> > Money
> > > > > won
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >> > > > > > Civil War and WWII. Even Christ knew what was up-
> > render to
> > > > > > >> Caesar and
> > > > > > >> > > > > > render unto God.
>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Jun 7, 9:11 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Not really Rigsy -- there is a lot of corruption
> > and
> > > > > > >> immorality
> > > > > > >> > > > > > involved
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > the rich for the most part are very self centered
> > focusing
> > > > > > >> mainly on
> > > > > > >> > > > > > their
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > interests and not those of humanity as a whole.
> > you can
> > > > > > >> claim yo have
> > > > > > >> > > > > > not
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > done it but you are riding on the shirt tails of
> > those
> > > > > who
> > > > > > >> have.. this
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > action only encourages them...
>
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