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On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
Our Allan: priceless! *coughing*--
2013/6/10 Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com>
we are living in a crazy world but what can one say--On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
well that would explain all the in breeding ... personally I don't know.. but instinct tells me to put the breaks on.. I do have to remember the Europeans had this love of killing every one off,, like the english kings.. I really think it is a population control thing..Are you going there or are you bringing Gabby over for dinner?On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:39 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
The PLoS link is http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1001555
This is the author summary
Few of us know our family histories more than a few generations back.
It is therefore easy to overlook the fact that we are all distant
cousins, related to one another via a vast network of relationships.
Here we use genome-wide data from European individuals to investigate
these relationships over the past 3,000 years, by looking for long
stretches of genome that are shared between pairs of individuals
through their inheritance from common genetic ancestors. We quantify
this ubiquitous recent common ancestry, showing for instance that even
pairs of individuals from opposite ends of Europe share hundreds of
genetic common ancestors over this time period. Despite this degree of
commonality, there are also striking regional differences.
Southeastern Europeans, for example, share large numbers of common
ancestors that date roughly to the era of the Slavic and Hunnic
expansions around 1,500 years ago, while most common ancestors that
Italians share with other populations lived longer than 2,500 years
ago. The study of long stretches of shared genetic material promises
to uncover rich information about many aspects of recent population
history.
On 10 June, 16:13, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 55 million-year-old Archicebus is the oldest primate skeleton found,
> the closest we've come to discovering our origins, and suggests we
> evolved in Asia
> Our distant ancestors evolved not in Africa but Asia, in a hothouse
> world newly free of dinosaurs. Over 55 million years ago, in the lush
> rainforests of what is now east Asia, a new voice was heard in the
> animal chorus: the cry of the first primate. It is the earliest
> primate skeleton ever found. It also strongly suggests that our
> lineage evolved in Asia, several million years earlier than we
> thought, and links the evolution of primates to the most extreme
> episode of climate change of the last 65 million years.
> Archicebus achilles as found in eastern China, just south of the
> Yangtze river (Nature, DOI: 10.1038/nature12200). It is 55 million
> years old, has the relatively small eyes of an animal active during
> the day and the sharp molar teeth of an insect-eater. Significantly,
> it also has the hindlimbs and flexible foot of a primate that had
> already taken to leaping between branches and gripping onto them with
> its feet – characteristics that we only lost when our ancestors left
> the trees just a few million years ago. In fact, a recent study
> revealed that at least 1 in 13 of us still has a flexible foot (New
> Scientist, 1 June, p 11): the trait, it seems, may trace all the way
> back to an animal very like Archicebus.
>
> At the moment, analysis of Archicebus places it not on our direct
> line, but with our next-door neighbours, the tarsiers of south-east
> Asia. Archicebus is a basal anthropoid [the group comprising monkeys,
> apes and humans - maybe. Parts of its body are eerily similar to what
> we would expect to find in our oldest ancestor. Its ankle bone, in
> particular, looks just like a monkey's – a feature that led to naming
> the remarkable fossil after the Greek hero Achilles.
>
> Perhaps most significantly, the new fossil supports the idea that
> primates originally evolved in south-east Asia, and suggests the
> ancestors of all monkeys and apes had already split off from other
> primates 55 million years ago – millions of years earlier than
> textbooks suggest. Archicebus solidifies that this important branching
> event goes right back to the beginning of the Eocene. This links the
> birth of our primate line to a major spike in global temperatures
> known as the Palaeocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM). It also puts
> our point of origin squarely in the heart of the PETM furnace:
> equatorial Asia.
>
> How, then, did Africa end up being the cradle of humanity? If the out-
> of-Asia hypothesis is correct, early monkey-like primates must have
> moved from Asia over to Africa, sometime around 40 million years ago,
> Beard says. The hypothesis must still explain how they made the move,
> crossing the vast Tethys Sea which separated Asia and Africa. this
> and other recent finds suggest there was an into Africa' before 'out
> of Africa'.
>
> On 10 June, 13:05, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Early advice from my mother suggested eating a slice or two of
> > buttered bread before an evening of revelry- it really is not wise to
> > drink on an empty stomach. Have been lucky re headaches/hangovers. The
> > aftermath/shock seemed to be over some wild/honest remark or behavior
> > leading to temporary guilt.
>
> > On Jun 9, 10:08 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > A few have told me the trick to headaches is learning to drink water
> > > alongside alcohol. Back when I was young/dumb enough to drink most under
> > > the table I finished off a case of Budweiser on a long trip and a hot
> > > day, the three to five day headache is still fresh in memory. I better
> > > quit before we start passing around tequila, and beer before liquor
> > > stories, because it's all good until you stand up and put your head
> > > through a wall on the way to the bathroom. Not too classy, but we were
> > > rolling over it later.
>
> > > Glad to see you Don! I read a forestry undergrowth paper a while back
> > > that said the common earthworm isn't native either. Apparently the
> > > topsoil was much richer and thicker especially in forested areas and has
> > > been reducing in depth ever since, though man's influence is undoubtedly
> > > more severe. Humans seem naturally nomadic, the contented bonobo chimp
> > > we are not. The bonobo apparently evolved a little differently because
> > > they developed on the other side of a waterway that had less competition
> > > for resources. Fascinating! I haven't followed up on it but caught part
> > > of a documentary about our near extinction in Africa and early migration
> > > into the bamboo forests of Asia. Another tried to examine why we push
> > > ourselves to exhaustion and endure for long periods of time, apparently
> > > we can exhaust many other land animals. They say that there was a recent
> > > period where a few species of hominid may have lived at the same time
> > > and I wonder what happened to the others, or perhaps they were too much
> > > like the bonobo. :(
>
> > > Back in the day a slime mold could just relax without all this riffraff!
> > > When the Earth is our mother we are quite related.
>
> > > On 6/9/2013 9:11 PM, Don Johnson wrote:
>
> > > > I like half honey/half whisky nuked until boiling for soothing a sore
> > > > throat. Works better the more you drink but causes headaches the next
> > > > day. Saw on tv the other day that it's the poor quality Saki that
> > > > needs warming and the good stuff can be drunk room temp. without the
> > > > funky aftertaste. I prefer it warm as well though because that's the
> > > > way I've always drunk it. Because I'm a cheap Bastard.
>
> > > > I rarely drink coffee but I really enjoy the smell of a freshly brewed
> > > > pot. When I do drink it I like it strong and black. No additives please.
>
> > > > FYI there are no indigenous peoples to North America. The virgin
> > > > forests of my adoptive homeland were rudely invaded and plundered by
> > > > Asians crossing the Bearing Strait land strip exposed by the last Ice
> > > > Age probably following game. Cheeky bastards.
>
> > > > As for where we hail from I thought it's been traced to Africa. More
> > > > or less. I think we all, including Apes, share a common ancestor if we
> > > > just go back far enough. Which makes us all family!
>
> > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:37 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > > > Gabby on hot whiskey - I may sign up for that one-way trip to Mars
> > > > after all! There's only so much danger I can live with ... I actually
> > > > prefer warm Saki.
>
> > > > On 7 June, 04:34, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > National Geographic showed that the (common genetics) came from
> > > > a major
> > > > > migration long before the beginning of the CE not form one or a
> > > > tiny group
> > > > > of people.. this was based of the female side of the genetics
> > > > not the
> > > > > male. Is a fascinating study.
>
> > > > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:36 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > Genetically Europeans seem to have a common ancestor 1000
> > > > years ago -
> > > > > > not sure what this means as I've not read the PLoS article yet.
>
> > > > > > On 6 June, 16:29, James <ashkas...@gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:ashkas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > > I've spent little to no time looking into ancestry other
> > > > than the common
> > > > > > > in anthropology and discoveries on ancient lineage
> > > > (broadly). I find the
> > > > > > > impact of succession on for instance Isaac and Ishmael
> > > > fascinating in a
> > > > > > > cultural sphere, and in that way some members have very
> > > > intriguing ideas
> > > > > > > on the biblical account here. My father and grandmother told
> > > > me we
> > > > > > > descend from Drake way back in the old country, Mac-Murray
> > > > and Cherokee
> > > > > > > here in the states (Blackfoot and tarheel territory). Not
> > > > sure if that's
> > > > > > > a good thing, but I am concerned one ancestor may have been an
> > > > > > > assasin/explorer for royalty, some may have hung a plaque at the
> > > > > > > entrance of a wall in Ireland pleading for mercy from God
> > > > from the
> > > > > > > ferocious natives but we never owned slaves here. Never been
> > > > interested
> > > > > > > in the pride and glory aspects of things, perhaps it is the
> > > > native blood?
>
> > > > > > > On 6/4/2013 3:05 AM, Allan H wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Irish history is fascinating,, penetrating all parts of
> > > > the world
> > > > > > > > including mine seems and indentured irish maid battered
> > > > her lovely
> > > > > > > > eyelashes at one of Hahn family and wisked him off into
> > > > marriage..
> > > > > > > > and another pure german family lost their pureness of
> > > > line..lol
> > > > > > > > would say virginity but that did not sound right.
>
> > > > > > > > I think part of the real problem lies in what is best
> > > > described as a
> > > > > > > > golden calf society.. and the hero worship of the high
> > > > priests and
> > > > > > > > their wealth..
>
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 4:09 AM, archytas
> > > > <nwte...@gmail.com <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I share your view Allan - Cromwell, rather than a
> > > > king, was the
> > > > > > worst
> > > > > > > > English colonizer of Ireland. The Scots too - before
> > > >
>
> ...
>
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