Re: Mind's Eye Re: Friendship

Psychopaths are the best liars rigs - that's why we elect them. I
can't remember a single case cracked by spotting the liar - other than
in trapping people against facts I could check. There is something
wrong, in logic, with the old chestnut 'All Cretans are liars. I am a
Cretan'. The problem is that natural languages are not formally
logical. If asked by someone you considered a friend to lie about an
alibi concerning where he was when child abuse took place, friendship
is not really the issue, but how easily one was gulled into it and how
to leave it. We have a tendency to make absolute things that are
not. One can rather strangely love someone more because the 'I love
you' stuff isn't necessary and nor is the perpetuation of the
condition of 'first swoon'. I would lie to Nazis on anything and
everything I could muster the courage so to do. I suspect, in rather
strange relation to this, that we are all living on our knees beneath
economics - a situation that prevents much moral action and has us
living a lie.

On 3 May, 14:10, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sometimes silence is another form of cover-up/protection/shame. Or
> taking the blame oneself for a husband/wife to avoid additional
> scandal/mess. I don't lie very well- in fact I drop hints like it's a
> discovery game!
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> On May 2, 7:46 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Very difficult question.  I have lied for friends.  The context is
> > all.
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> > On 2 May, 19:46, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > I may not brake the law for a friend..  that does not mean I am not their
> > > friend and will stand by a friend and do what I can to help them..
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> > > I think friendship is something special
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> > > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:19 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > The ultimate would be to sacrifice your life for a friend/child/love/
> > > > stranger. What about the law- being an accessory to a crime. Might be
> > > > like a poker game and knowing when to hold and when to fold. Also
> > > > consider if sin/grace are applicable to conscience/behavior. What
> > > > about the courage to stand alone? Maybe one has the wrong friends.Also
> > > > consider the influence of money and sex. Also the matter of what's
> > > > acceptable in war and not in civilian life or how certain acts are
> > > > justified- abortion is okay but killing a pregnant woman is double
> > > > homicide- when did that fetus assume human status? Is loving adultery
> > > > holier than a hellish, brutal marriage? Etc, etc., etc.
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> > > > On May 2, 12:42 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > It seemed as though my 'minds' life was dead.. but i was just doing
> > > > > this term paper on Aristotle and Derrida on friendship and a question
> > > > > came to me... .. i came across something that Cicero said i think..
> > > > > that it is the law that one should not ask a friend for an unlawful
> > > > > thing... or that wrong doing done for a friend is not excused, now the
> > > > > Greeks were a little tough on virtue.. and i quite agree with them..
> > > > > but for most us i think it would be difficult to determine whether a
> > > > > thing is moral or immoral.. in more subtle cases in mean.. how do you
> > > > > decide whether refusing to do an immoral thing for the sake of your
> > > > > friend is really out of conscience or is it cowardice in the time of
> > > > > problem.. is it a test of friendship?.... They say that one loves one
> > > > > friend like one's self then would one punish one's friend like one
> > > > > would one's self?Or is it that it is absolute and blind love that will
> > > > > make one do anything for the sake of a friend... for example if our
> > > > > friend committed a crime... this is just one example.. you guys can
> > > > > think of lots others... Also would one think of troubling a friend
> > > > > when one finds ones' self in a moral dilemma ... would one expect much
> > > > > from them and think them traitor if they don't take our sides...
> > > > > please feel free to add more thoughts to this.. and do say what you
> > > > > think..
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> > > |_D Allan
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> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > > Of course I talk to myself,
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