Re: Mind's Eye Re: deep thought

It depends what your culture holds up as human goals. I am not picking
on Germany, but the Nazis had goals. So did the settlers of the USA
while nearly exterminating the Indians. So does industry that destroys
natural resources devoid of conscience. Etc., etc., etc...

On May 10, 4:07 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The purpose? To become human. I am born human to become human to die human.
> Hm, does not sell in this short form, does it?
>
> 2013/5/10 rigs <rigs...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> > You need basic skills to begin with, however, and these are only as
> > successful as certain other qualities/opportunities are present or
> > attainable. Morality is generally picked up from family, tribe,
> > nation, religion, political theory. There are plenty of examples of
> > evil or poor choices made by popular consent/majority opinion. What is
> > the ultimate purpose of education? Wisdom? Income? Etc.?
>
> > On May 9, 4:11 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > What Neil says is that all learning is self taught - and so you are
> > always
> > > successful. The question here is what you learn. The moral that you
> > acquire
> > > while learning sans systematique is definitely more difficult to justify,
> > > yes.
>
> > > 2013/5/9 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > Interesting the self taught often succeed..  could be it seems what
> > they
> > > > do not learn appearantly is morality  or how to justify their actions..
>
> > > > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:20 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> I don't know either work referred to but not sure society could
> > > >> tolerate this kind of freedom in education or workplace with a few
> > > >> exceptions. Funny, but the self-taught often succeed. Anyway, society
> > > >> needs to control its education and workplaces- esp. since the
> > > >> Industrial Revolution. Another thought is the object of work<education
> > > >> is often just about money though many are dedicated to ideals and
> > > >> service and money is an afterthought or nevermind.
>
> > > >> On May 7, 1:46 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > The short story is as Gabby remembers.  20 years ago I ran a module
> > > >> > called Creative Organisational Practices.  The essential choice for
> > > >> > students was to study the comparative relevance of Enid Blyton
> > > >> > (children's stories) and 'In Search of Excellence' to management
> > > >> > practice (both clearly fictional) or do something "creative" to stop
> > > >> > me lecturing on this and do something they invented.  That might be
> > > >> > education.
>
> > > >> > On 7 May, 08:42, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > thank you  it is starting to make sense now
>
> > > >> > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> > > > oh  to many drugs,,I guess epilepsy medications have severe side
> > > >> effects
>
> > > >> > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:33 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > >> Search for the word on the group site and you will find older
> > > >> contexts in
> > > >> > > >> which the word has been used. As far as I remember Neil
> > introduced
> > > >> it,
> > > >> > > >> sketching up education as being super male in its ejaculation
> > > >> orientation
> > > >> > > >> and super female in its child minding orientation. Truth for
> > > >> Dummies.
>
> > > >> > > >> 2013/5/7 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>
> > > >> > > >>> sorry Neil Ejukation is a word i cannot find ..  as a result
> > I am
> > > >> not
> > > >> > > >>> sure what you are saying..
>
> > > >> > > >>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:02 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > >>>> Ejukation is basically child-minding - we give the little
> > dears
> > > >> easy
> > > >> > > >>>> things to do so we can praise them.  The ones too stupid to
> > > >> realise
> > > >> > > >>>> its all rubbish and bail out early end up with the biggest
> > debts
> > > >> - all
> > > >> > > >>>> very meritocratic!  The world would work rather well on a
> > 2-day
> > > >> week.
> > > >> > > >>>> The ejukationist's job is to stop people realising this, the
> > > >> classroom
> > > >> > > >>>> the straight-jacket through which we get people used to not
> > > >> doing what
> > > >> > > >>>> they want to.
>
> > > >> > > >>>> On 6 May, 10:50, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > >>>> > knowledge is enlightenment --  spiritual enlightenment  ---
> > > >>  well
> > > >> > > >>>> there are
> > > >> > > >>>> > more ideas and ramblings people call enlightened..    at
> > least
> > > >> > > >>>> > a enlightened carpenter the enlightenment will show up in
> > his
> > > >> work.
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:13 AM, gabbydott <
> > > >> gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >> > > >>>> > > We used to view what I think you are describing through
> > the
> > > >> > > >>>> 'Wissen' -
> > > >> > > >>>> > > 'Können' glasses. The spiritual dimension needed the
> > right
> > > >> > > >>>> justification
> > > >> > > >>>> > > and calibration of both. We now ask if you:
> > > >> > > >>>> > > know-that/know-about/know-how/know-why/know-what.
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > > 2013/5/6 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >> there are many forms of enlightenment.. a skilled
> > carpenter
> > > >> can be
> > > >> > > >>>> > >> enlightened on crafting wood.. a nurse can be
> > enlightened
> > > >> on caring
> > > >> > > >>>> > >> for patients  . . .   there are many different forms of
> > > >> > > >>>> enlightenment..
> > > >> > > >>>> > >> spiritual enlightenment is perhaps the most confusing
> > of all
> > > >> > > >>>> knowledge..
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:01 AM, gabbydott <
> > > >> gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > >>>> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>> Of course a more figurative light is being meant! The
> > > >> trouble
> > > >> > > >>>> remains
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>> the same. "Enlightenment" is the word. The context
> > makes it
> > > >> > > >>>> 'Aufklärung' or
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>> 'Erleuchtung', light particle or light wave.
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>> 2013/5/6 James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>> Hello Konara, rigsy, all. I am wondering if this is a
> > more
> > > >> > > >>>> figurative
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>> 'light'..? In the sense that it illuminates the world
> > and
> > > >> allows
> > > >> > > >>>> a greater
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>> understanding and mastery of things, I mean.
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>> Spring is in the air. :)
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>> On 5/5/2013 1:10 AM, rigs wrote:
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>> Pardon my late welcome. Why not refine instead of
> > tame
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > >>>> senses?
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>> They are also gifts.
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>> On Apr 28, 10:46 pm, Konara Abeyrathne <
> > > >> kona...@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > >>>> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>> training or developing our mind is not that
> > difficult
> > > >> or easy.
> > > >> > > >>>> mind is
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>> a very active and naughty sense .onlything we have
> > to
> > > >> tame
> > > >> > > >>>> other
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>> senses,concentrate on the function of the mind
> > through
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > >>>> "MIND EYE'"
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>> itself. and engage in trancedental meditation.  this
> > > >> you have
> > > >> > > >>>> to
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>> start and
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>> continue until you see a bright light in your mind
> > try
> > > >> and see
> > > >> > > >>>> pl   I
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>> am
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>> abeyratne from Kandy Sri Lanka
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:08 AM, rigs <
> > > >> rigs...@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > >>>> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>> Someone recently mentioned Socrates was alarmed
> > with
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > >>>> popularity
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>> of
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>> writing as he felt it would weaken the memory. I
> > > >> thought it
> > > >> > > >>>> lovely
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>> that the ancient bards trained their minds like a
> > > >> house of
> > > >> > > >>>> many rooms
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>> and storied them.
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 28, 7:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> No idea mate.  Deep Thought was the computer that
> > > >> couldn't
> > > >> > > >>>> answer
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> the
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> question and thus commissioned a bigger one to
> > find
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > >>>> question.
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>   (
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>    )
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> |_D Allan
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
> > > >> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course I talk to myself,
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