Re: Mind's Eye Re: Is Wagner Bad For Us?

There was a horse running in the Grand National called Weird Al - so I
had a bet thinking 'omen'. It ran as well as a three-legged donkey
ridden by me and carried by Allan. Wagner could have scripted that
one! Artsie stuff is just in the moment for me.

On 7 Apr, 11:10, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes that is the one Gabby,,  I only have his piano works,, and I like his
> minimalist approach. I am not an authority by any means. I have
> preferences  one of them is not being assaulted with excessive sound..and I
> like being able to hear the individual instruments..  I have no classical
> training what ever with the exception of two pieces of Grieg..  and of
> course the flight of the bumble bee..
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> I walked out on a live jimmy Hendricks concert..  just loud and garbage,,
> so my opinion is my own  totally based on whether I like it or not.  How
> can you fall asleep listing to satie piano works they are so delicate..
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> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:56 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Do you mean Erik Satie? Haha, yeah, that surely helps with sleeping
> > problems. French existentialism tangents this nicely.
> > Am 06.04.2013 20:18 schrieb "Allan H" <allanh1...@gmail.com>:
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> > Now I like Sartre   have about 6 CD's all piano works,,
> >>  an fascinated with the one that is basically single notes..  lately I have
> >> been more interested in pieces staring single insterments am trying to
> >> understand their sounds..
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> >> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 7:07 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> I find Wagner morbidly romantic but hypnotic, at times. Wagner is very
> >>> dangerous whereas poor misunderstood Nietzsche is life affriming. Am
> >>> rereading my file from the course which included Kierkegaard, Sartre,
> >>> Gide, Mann as well as W and N. Got an A- on the final which I can no
> >>> longer readily understand!!!  Who was this woman? And to think I
> >>> jumped into such a horrid relationship- maybe it was Wagner's
> >>> fault! :-) Anyway- am still a little blue saying goodbye to adult
> >>> child who makes the mistake make sense- she is a delight. Will go over
> >>> some other related stuff.
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> >>> On Apr 3, 3:17 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Respecting boundaries was not Wagner's thing. Transgression he took in
> >>> > his stride – stealing other men's wives when he needed them, spending
> >>> > other people's money without worrying too much about paying it back –
> >>> > while artistically his ambitions knew no bounds. There is something
> >>> > awe-inspiring about his productivity under hostile conditions, the
> >>> > way, though living on the breadline, he turned out masterpieces when
> >>> > there was no reasonable prospect of any of them being performed:
> >>> > gigantic works, pushing singers and musicians to the limits of their
> >>> > technique, and taking music itself to the edges of its known universe.
> >>> > Theft; the breaking of vows, promises and contracts; seduction,
> >>> > adultery, incest, disobedience, defiance of the gods, daring to ask
> >>> > the one forbidden question, the renunciation of love for power,
> >>> > genital self-mutilation as the price of magic: Wagner's work is
> >>> > everywhere preoccupied with boundaries set and overstepped, limits
> >>> > reached and exceeded. 'Wagnerian' has passed into our language as a
> >>> > byword for the exorbitant, the over-scaled and the interminable.
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> >>> > Wagner has kept me awake at night. Sleepless, I turn my thoughts to
> >>> > Tristan und Isolde, Wagner's most extreme work and the plus ultra of
> >>> > love stories, and I notice a kinship between aspects of Tristan and
> >>> > Isolde's passion and the experience of a certain kind of insomnia. The
> >>> > second act of Tristan und Isolde is Romanticism's greatest hymn to the
> >>> > night, not for the elfin charm and ethereal chiaroscuro of moonbeams
> >>> > and starlight, the territory of Chopin and Debussy, but night as a
> >>> > close bosom-friend of oblivion, a simulacrum of eternity and a place
> >>> > to play dead. Insomnia is a refusal to cross the boundary between
> >>> > waking and sleeping, a bid to outwit Terminus by hiding away in
> >>> > 'soundless dark', a zone beyond time. As garlic is to vampires, so
> >>> > clocks are to insomniacs, not because they tell of how much sleep has
> >>> > been missed, but because they bring the next day nearer. As Philip
> >>> > Larkin, poet of limits, knew so well, sleep has the one big
> >>> > disadvantage that we wake up from it: 'In time the curtain edges will
> >>> > grow light,' he wrote in 'Aubade', bringing 'Unresting death, a whole
> >>> > day nearer now'. For Tristan and Isolde, too, night must not give way
> >>> > to day, not for the trivial reason that day will end their love-
> >>> > making, but because dawn brings death one day nearer. They must stay
> >>> > awake, for to sleep is to allow the night to pass, to awake from the
> >>> > night is to live and to live is to die. And when, inevitably, day
> >>> > dawns, they have only one recourse. To Tristan and Isolde, in their
> >>> > delirium, it seems that by dying they will preserve their love for
> >>> > ever: by dying, they will defy death.
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> >>> > 'Utter rot' the scientist in me says, knowing science is a product of
> >>> > madness that can be demonstrated.  Wagner is bad for us.  And I think
> >>> > to science again - the science that dares to tell us the table is
> >>> > mostly nothing, with nothing curved space, unseen forces, the
> >>> > individual not Jack or Jill of thought in Idol boundaries.
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> >> |_D Allan
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> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >> Of course I talk to myself,
> >> Sometimes I need expert advice..
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