Re: Mind's Eye Re: Is Wagner Bad For Us?

The patient has to take an active role, I think, and investigate the
rx also. Plus the old familiarity with family doctors has declined-
those who knew the family history. So there are empty spaces.//My old
doctors quit the insurance plan and are setting up a new "business
model". (?) So many have moved to a different practice. Anyway, I now
have an female Indian (India) lady and a good first run-by- actually
my daughter selected the practice. I have halved her rx as I am not a
large person.//Probably new definitions are a good idea.

On Apr 9, 5:40 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Right, it was all about what has been factored in in the new WHO book of
> what counts as a disease at what point etc. An American psychologist gave
> some examples and figures. They were not discussing though how big pharma
> industry and big politics are not unhappy about the development.
> Am 08.04.2013 22:58 schrieb "rigs" <rigs...@gmail.com>:
>
>
>
> > Where did you get this info? Factor in obesity, heart problems, etc.
> > Also epidemics, etc. Some od on rx and others on street drugs-alcohol
> > or a combo. But as to rx you will have to come up with statistics re
> > doctors and abuse by patients. Saw dr. last week. My daughter thinks I
> > must have inherited super-genes. Maybe!
>
> > On Apr 8, 11:55 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hey Mol, how are you? Good to see you.
> > > Now, what you are saying is right from a tribal perspective. It would
> > take
> > > a leap into the here and now of probabilities and how they relate to us
> > to
> > > get a feel for fuzzy logic. Let's say many, many, many more Americans die
> > > only due to the effects of the pills the doctor has prescribed them than
> > > Americans dying due to having consumed illegal drugs such as heroin or
> > > cocain. Do you think that would make people choose to go to a doctor who
> > > prescribes pills more carefully? No, we are reasonably hoping (hop, hop)
> > > death will not hit us, at least not here and now.
>
> > > 2013/4/8 Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > Sometimes, the best fit is unreasonable, and only seems reasonable
> > > > later, when conditions change, or culture changes, or we change.
> > > > Logic isn't everything.  The greatest discoveries often require a leap
> > > > into a form of logic not yet clear.
>
> > > > On Apr 7, 4:05 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Most art, music and literature (including sport) is merely how those
> > > > > who can't do science or live examined lives make the trivial
> > > > > important.
> > > > > It seems strange to me we can tell what notes fit and yet can't do
> > > > > logic to save our lives.
> > > > > On 7 Apr, 11:10, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Yes that is the one Gabby,,  I only have his piano works,, and I
> > like
> > > > his
> > > > > > minimalist approach. I am not an authority by any means. I have
> > > > > > preferences  one of them is not being assaulted with excessive
> > > > sound..and I
> > > > > > like being able to hear the individual instruments..  I have no
> > > > classical
> > > > > > training what ever with the exception of two pieces of Grieg..
> >  and of
> > > > > > course the flight of the bumble bee..
>
> > > > > > I walked out on a live jimmy Hendricks concert..  just loud and
> > > > garbage,,
> > > > > > so my opinion is my own  totally based on whether I like it or not.
> > > >  How
> > > > > > can you fall asleep listing to satie piano works they are so
> > delicate..
>
> > > > > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:56 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Do you mean Erik Satie? Haha, yeah, that surely helps with
> > sleeping
> > > > > > > problems. French existentialism tangents this nicely.
> > > > > > > Am 06.04.2013 20:18 schrieb "Allan H" <allanh1...@gmail.com>:
>
> > > > > > > Now I like Sartre   have about 6 CD's all piano works,,
> > > > > > >>  an fascinated with the one that is basically single notes..
> > > >  lately I have
> > > > > > >> been more interested in pieces staring single insterments am
> > trying
> > > > to
> > > > > > >> understand their sounds..
>
> > > > > > >> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 7:07 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >>> I find Wagner morbidly romantic but hypnotic, at times. Wagner
> > is
> > > > very
> > > > > > >>> dangerous whereas poor misunderstood Nietzsche is life
> > affriming.
> > > > Am
> > > > > > >>> rereading my file from the course which included Kierkegaard,
> > > > Sartre,
> > > > > > >>> Gide, Mann as well as W and N. Got an A- on the final which I
> > can
> > > > no
> > > > > > >>> longer readily understand!!!  Who was this woman? And to think
> > I
> > > > > > >>> jumped into such a horrid relationship- maybe it was Wagner's
> > > > > > >>> fault! :-) Anyway- am still a little blue saying goodbye to
> > adult
> > > > > > >>> child who makes the mistake make sense- she is a delight. Will
> > go
> > > > over
> > > > > > >>> some other related stuff.
>
> > > > > > >>> On Apr 3, 3:17 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >>> > Respecting boundaries was not Wagner's thing. Transgression
> > he
> > > > took in
> > > > > > >>> > his stride – stealing other men's wives when he needed them,
> > > > spending
> > > > > > >>> > other people's money without worrying too much about paying
> > it
> > > > back –
> > > > > > >>> > while artistically his ambitions knew no bounds. There is
> > > > something
> > > > > > >>> > awe-inspiring about his productivity under hostile
> > conditions,
> > > > the
> > > > > > >>> > way, though living on the breadline, he turned out
> > masterpieces
> > > > when
> > > > > > >>> > there was no reasonable prospect of any of them being
> > performed:
> > > > > > >>> > gigantic works, pushing singers and musicians to the limits
> > of
> > > > their
> > > > > > >>> > technique, and taking music itself to the edges of its known
> > > > universe.
> > > > > > >>> > Theft; the breaking of vows, promises and contracts;
> > seduction,
> > > > > > >>> > adultery, incest, disobedience, defiance of the gods, daring
> > to
> > > > ask
> > > > > > >>> > the one forbidden question, the renunciation of love for
> > power,
> > > > > > >>> > genital self-mutilation as the price of magic: Wagner's work
> > is
> > > > > > >>> > everywhere preoccupied with boundaries set and overstepped,
> > > > limits
> > > > > > >>> > reached and exceeded. 'Wagnerian' has passed into our
> > language
> > > > as a
> > > > > > >>> > byword for the exorbitant, the over-scaled and the
> > interminable.
>
> > > > > > >>> > Wagner has kept me awake at night. Sleepless, I turn my
> > thoughts
> > > > to
> > > > > > >>> > Tristan und Isolde, Wagner's most extreme work and the plus
> > > > ultra of
> > > > > > >>> > love stories, and I notice a kinship between aspects of
> > Tristan
> > > > and
> > > > > > >>> > Isolde's passion and the experience of a certain kind of
> > > > insomnia. The
> > > > > > >>> > second act of Tristan und Isolde is Romanticism's greatest
> > hymn
> > > > to the
> > > > > > >>> > night, not for the elfin charm and ethereal chiaroscuro of
> > > > moonbeams
> > > > > > >>> > and starlight, the territory of Chopin and Debussy, but
> > night as
> > > > a
> > > > > > >>> > close bosom-friend of oblivion, a simulacrum of eternity and
> > a
> > > > place
> > > > > > >>> > to play dead. Insomnia is a refusal to cross the boundary
> > between
> > > > > > >>> > waking and sleeping, a bid to outwit Terminus by hiding away
> > in
> > > > > > >>> > 'soundless dark', a zone beyond time. As garlic is to
> > vampires,
> > > > so
> > > > > > >>> > clocks are to insomniacs, not because they tell of how much
> > > > sleep has
> > > > > > >>> > been missed, but because they bring the next day nearer. As
> > > > Philip
> > > > > > >>> > Larkin, poet of limits, knew so well, sleep has the one big
> > > > > > >>> > disadvantage that we wake up from it: 'In time the curtain
> > edges
> > > > will
> > > > > > >>> > grow light,' he wrote in 'Aubade', bringing 'Unresting
> > death, a
> > > > whole
> > > > > > >>> > day nearer now'. For Tristan and Isolde, too, night must not
> > > > give way
> > > > > > >>> > to day, not for the trivial reason that day will end their
> > love-
> > > > > > >>> > making, but because dawn brings death one day nearer. They
> > must
> > > > stay
> > > > > > >>> > awake, for to sleep is to allow the night to pass, to awake
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > >>> > night is to live and to live is to die. And when,
> > inevitably, day
> > > > > > >>> > dawns, they have only one recourse. To Tristan and Isolde, in
> > > > their
> > > > > > >>> > delirium, it seems that by dying they will preserve their
> > love
> > > > for
> > > > > > >>> > ever: by dying, they will defy death.
>
> > > > > > >>> > 'Utter rot' the scientist in me says, knowing science is a
> > > > product of
> > > > > > >>> > madness that can be demonstrated.  Wagner is bad for us.
> >  And I
> > > > think
> > > > > > >>> > to science again - the science that dares to tell us the
> > table is
> > > > > > >>> > mostly nothing, with nothing curved space, unseen forces, the
> > > > > > >>> > individual not Jack or Jill of thought in Idol boundaries.
>
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> > > > > > >> |_D Allan
>
> > > > > > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > > > >> Of course I talk to myself,
> > > > > > >> Sometimes I need expert advice..
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