Re: Mind's Eye Re: Is Wagner Bad For Us?

I have learned to understand what my mother means with her words through Wagner et al. It took me a bit more than 6 years until I found the switch off button. She taught Noah how to dance to classical music when he was little and stayed there over night. I could sleep, because I knew my father was there too. He made up for the time he didn't have, so the story goes, when we were young. Both reject pills and recommend you to work harder, would you start fantasizing about insomniac states of mind. Nietzsche went mad over that. I have found the techno movement truly liberating. 

Am Freitag, 5. April 2013 schrieb Allan H :

was going to sit and listen to Wagner bought an complete set,,it was very expensive and when I started listening,,  didn't like it didn't even finish the first CD put it back in the box and that is where it has remained ever since that was 6 plus years ago. I normally listen to classical Music at one time There was enough to go over a week without repeating. sent over 100 CD and I still have 200 more to send.

did't like Wagner why I don't know.

Now  went to the Ballet Spartacus  it was fantastic.. 

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

Never really read Bacon Gabs - couldn't get past the overture of
lickspittling the King.  There were eleven dotted around the Idol
dance.  I'm watching  BBC highbrow now and it started with a man who
saw an advert for a remake of The French Connection starring Justin
Bieber and gives up on life completely.  I can go with Molly's
interpretation, at least if I'm on enough Molly (the hip term for the
latest club drug, apparently).  Rigs' probably has the best idea,
having run off.  Wagner is bad for us, but less harm than sugar.  If
God lives who will hunt him down this time, now I don't do that kind
of stuff?

The 'new shade of black' is possibly BBC 2's 'How TV Ruined Your
Life'.  Wagner might just be a pleasant retreat into reality.

On 4 Apr, 15:54, Gabby <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wagner is as bad as God is dead. What was revolutionary about Bacon's idols
> was the new four-step. The meta that rules metacognition being made
> danceable.
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> Am Mittwoch, 3. April 2013 22:17:44 UTC+2 schrieb archytas:
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> > Respecting boundaries was not Wagner's thing. Transgression he took in
> > his stride – stealing other men's wives when he needed them, spending
> > other people's money without worrying too much about paying it back –
> > while artistically his ambitions knew no bounds. There is something
> > awe-inspiring about his productivity under hostile conditions, the
> > way, though living on the breadline, he turned out masterpieces when
> > there was no reasonable prospect of any of them being performed:
> > gigantic works, pushing singers and musicians to the limits of their
> > technique, and taking music itself to the edges of its known universe.
> > Theft; the breaking of vows, promises and contracts; seduction,
> > adultery, incest, disobedience, defiance of the gods, daring to ask
> > the one forbidden question, the renunciation of love for power,
> > genital self-mutilation as the price of magic: Wagner's work is
> > everywhere preoccupied with boundaries set and overstepped, limits
> > reached and exceeded. 'Wagnerian' has passed into our language as a
> > byword for the exorbitant, the over-scaled and the interminable.
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> > Wagner has kept me awake at night. Sleepless, I turn my thoughts to
> > Tristan und Isolde, Wagner's most extreme work and the plus ultra of
> > love stories, and I notice a kinship between aspects of Tristan and
> > Isolde's passion and the experience of a certain kind of insomnia. The
> > second act of Tristan und Isolde is Romanticism's greatest hymn to the
> > night, not for the elfin charm and ethereal chiaroscuro of moonbeams
> > and starlight, the territory of Chopin and Debussy, but night as a
> > close bosom-friend of oblivion, a simulacrum of eternity and a place
> > to play dead. Insomnia is a refusal to cross the boundary between
> > waking and sleeping, a bid to outwit Terminus by hiding away in
> > 'soundless dark', a zone beyond time. As garlic is to vampires, so
> > clocks are to insomniacs, not because they tell of how much sleep has
> > been missed, but because they bring the next day nearer. As Philip
> > Larkin, poet of limits, knew so well, sleep has the one big
> > disadvantage that we wake up from it: 'In time the curtain edges will
> > grow light,' he wrote in 'Aubade', bringing 'Unresting death, a whole
> > day nearer now'. For Tristan and Isolde, too, night must not give way
> > to day, not for the trivial reason that day will end their love-
> > making, but because dawn brings death one day nearer. They must stay
> > awake, for to sleep is to allow the night to pass, to awake from the
> > night is to live and to live is to die. And when, inevitably, day
> > dawns, they have only one recourse. To Tristan and Isolde, in their
> > delirium, it seems that by dying they will preserve their love for
> > ever: by dying, they will defy death.
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> > 'Utter rot' the scientist in me says, knowing science is a product of
> > madness that can be demonstrated.  Wagner is bad for us.  And I think

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|_D Allan

Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.

Of course I talk to myself,
Sometimes I need expert advice..

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