Re: Mind's Eye Re: Is Wagner Bad For Us?

In science we work thinking we might be barking up wrong trees -
anything else is dangerous potential misinterpretation. Outside
science it seems assumed we have replaced the seven demons of religion
with one. If we can hold true in doubt we don't dismiss the eternal
or laws of history or god and gods but stick with doubt ahead of
dogmatic imposition. This is never enough as we are privileging the
examined life. We need the future memory to remind us how the present
might be viewed from future, lest we seize up the present in a dogma
of certain knowing. Even this dynamic is not doubt but a legitimation
of knowledge, a parology of process philosophy. If we ever get this
far we remain biological beings, collectives formed in historic
assimilation (co-evolution) and socially collective and competitive.
This would only be the overture. One act might organise what we know
of religious fables to new purpose rather than the agnostic cry
against what we have sensed wrong in fundamentalism ... we lack such
modern art and music.



On Apr 21, 9:04 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I watched that economic piece..  learned a lot or rather it organized what
> intuitively I knew was wrong..  the real question becomes when,,  and was
> reading your mad men in charge,, and I am always watching the history of
> England programs thanks to BBC ..    and there is very interesting though
> in a dogmaas to music and organization.. It would be interesting to see some of the
> geniuses of the past preforming in today's world.

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> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 2:16 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ballet was associated with prostitution in Georgian days.  Men do the
> > sub-thingy too - at least in pecking order terms.  I was rarely
> > comfortable not being the organiser or captain in team games and have
> > found much the same in work situations.  I like to think this is
> > because I bring a kind of 'beguine' democracy when I do the leadership
> > bit and very rarely stoop to bossing people about - but it's
> > emotionally complex and an area subject to self-delusion!   With
> > enough decent people about I'm inclined to the view leadership is
> > about not letting a mad person take over and otherwise being able to
> > ignore it because most of the time its obvious what to do.
> > If anything, ballet reminds me of army drill squares - I was so bad at
> > that I had a permanent ticket from the drill sergeant to be away
> > playing various sports.  Most people love it -
> > but I just can't take being told what foot to start off on and making
> > the toes of boots shine.  I have no problem taking my turn with scut
> > work (chores etc.) - and know the value of keeping one's place in the
> > line - but I guess I'm in out of step by default.
>
> > We share the music - and I love watching the orchestra tune up or hear
> > choirs do their equivalents - and I admire the organisation of the
> > playing - which sort of brings the question of why I feel queasy with
> > the choreography thing.  I'm as queasy with today's over-organised
> > sport.  I expect you'd have turned my head other than by being a
> > pretty girl in the chorus too - I tend to be attracted by difference.
> > Back to Wagner - who really cares - I can rarely associate the music
> > with the other action.  The recent New York production is on TV here
> > soon - sadly Sky Arts.  I only take their sports and will also miss
> > Oliver Stones 'History of America' - though they'll get to C4 and BBC
> > 4 soon enough.  I wonder what Wagner might have done with a concept of
> > 'relativity flight' - leaving a place that will disappear in terms of
> > what and where it was in a speeding bubble aimed at somewhere not
> > where it is developing now to emerge in a future that has developed
> > billions of years and in which we have aged only 28 - a hopeless
> > fantasy of faith if ever there was one!
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> > > women are quite able to subjugate themselves even while seeming
> > > independent.
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> > > On Apr 19, 4:46 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >s
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> > > > I have never liked ballet and always sit near the orchestra pit for the
> > > > music.  Steve and I met when I was very much in love with a ballerina
> > and
> > > > lived with us for a few months.  He loves the choreography and
> > movement.  I
> > > > tend to see the slippers as you say rigs and dislike the obvious (male)
> > > > control and body fascism.  I'd no doubt attend basketball if Steve
> > wanted
> > > > to go.
>
> > > > On Friday, 19 April 2013 02:02:11 UTC+1, rigs wrote:
>
> > > > > Ballet slippers for en pointe remind me of Chinese foot binding for
> > > > > women. Is it subjugation of the female?
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> > > > > On Apr 17, 5:18 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > The ballet was disappointing - I really only like the music.
> >  Steve is
> > > > > > into the aesthetic female form - though I note he holds my hand
> > > > > > tearfully when the male lead is prancing about.  Food, wine and
> > > > > > entertainment at he gay restaurant were excellent.  The next venue
> > is
> > > > > > my choice, probably the rugby league cup final.  My daughter will
> > > > > > probably come with us to that, sharing his interest in athletic
> > men,
> > > > > > Good to hear you sounding better.  Heed Gabby's advice - after all
> > now
> > > > > > we know the Germans invented porridge!
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> > > > > > On Apr 17, 8:54 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I hope things continue to get better.
>
> > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:55 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Sigh...The minute I started taking medicine all hell broke
> > loose.
> > > > > > > > Might as well have flushed $200. The doctors are all drug
> > pushers
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > I am quite furiously discouraged. It will be some time before
> > eyes
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > better but I won't go blind- that's a break!!! Had to quit all
> > meds
> > > > > > > > except drops and a cool cloth. The good news is that it was a
> > gold
> > > > > > > > inlay rather than a piece of tooth that fell out as I ate a
> > fat date
> > > > > > > > (the fruit) and the tooth doesn't hurt so that can wait. But I
> > am
> > > > > > > > miserable and thank you all for good wishes and lovely
> > thoughts. Not
> > > > > > > > sure the Indian doctor will see me again. :-) I drove to the
> > post
> > > > > > > > office today though I shouldn't have and am cooking-
> > > > > eating-sleeping-
> > > > > > > > dreaming- sick and sad with radio news. Anyway- I've missed
> > you.
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 10:35 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Dark Lady of any sonnet I might cherish
> > > > > > > > > Politics fade in soft breeze of smile assumed unseen.
> > > > > > > > > Thoughts dance in your shadow
> > > > > > > > > Kitchen warm and tempting as an open soul.
> > > > > > > > > A feast of music tonight
> > > > > > > > > I never touch the food.
> > > > > > > > > Leaves room to dream of my lady's kitchen
> > > > > > > > > In overture's crescendo, dreams on rise.
>
> > > > > > > > > It's a night at the ballet rigs.  My gay companion will
> > sense I'm
> > > > > > > > > thinking of someone else, ask why we didn't book another
> > seat and
> > > > > > > > > sound our horn at your door. One can only wish the thought
> > set
> > > > > free to
> > > > > > > > > fly that we might distract until better times.
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> > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 7:25 am, Gabby <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > I am really sorry to hear that, Rigs, and
> > > > > > > > > > [image: Get-Well Soon]
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> > > > > > > > > > Am Sonntag, 14. April 2013 14:39:09 UTC+2 schrieb rigs:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Putting the thought in the air- good genes, health,
> > etc.- has
> > > > > > > > summoned
> > > > > > > > > > > the Furies. Punishment is an eye infection-both eyes,
> > now- a
> > > > > swollen
> > > > > > > > > > > neck gland- and last night a piece of a molar cracked
> > off.
> > > > > Medicine
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > iffy- little progress. Ice and snow storms. Neighbor
> > took me
> > > > > to eye
> > > > > > > > > > > clinic and he and wife will help. Wearing tinted glasses-
> > > > > Jackie O.
> > > > > > > > > > > Must be a test for my Soul as Logic escapes me. Some of
> > your
> > > > > spare
> > > > > > > > > > > prayers might help. Will try to stay in touch.
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> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 10, 7:02 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's why I propose the hopefully not yet
> > patient but
> > > > > > > > > > > > child/adolescent is to also learn the healthstory of
> > their
> > > > > family
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > > > > > to not leave existentially important spaces empty.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > And no, you shouldn't have told me your current doctor
> > is
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > > India! I
> > > > > > > > > > > > cannot help but thinking now that you go there because
> > you
> > > > > both
> > > > > > > > agree
> > > > > > > > > > > > cooking fresh food all day long, doing the house-work
> > and
> > > > > caring
> > > > > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > > > > > family is the best medicine!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, we need new definitions.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Am Mittwoch, 10. April 2013 schrieb rigs :
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The patient has to take an active role, I think, and
> > > > > investigate
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > rx also. Plus the old familiarity with family
> > doctors has
> > > > > > > > declined-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > those who knew the family history. So there are empty
> > > > > > > > spaces.//My old
> > > > > > > > > > > > > doctors quit the insurance plan and are setting up a
> > new
> > > > > > > > "business
> > > > > > > > > > > > > model". (?) So many have moved to a different
> > practice.
> > > > > Anyway,
> > > > > > > > I now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > have an female Indian (India) lady and a good first
> > > > > run-by-
> > > > > > > > actually
> > > > > > > > > > > > > my daughter selected the practice. I have halved her
> > rx as
> > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > large person.//Probably new definitions are a good
> > idea.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 5:40 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com
> > <javascript:;>>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right, it was all about what has been factored in
> > in the
> > > > > new
> > > > > > > > WHO
> > > > > > > > > > > book of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what counts as a disease at what point etc. An
> > American
> > > > > > > > psychologist
> > > > > > > > > > > gave
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some examples and figures. They were not discussing
> > > > > though how
> > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > pharma
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > industry and big politics are not unhappy about the
> > > > > > > > development.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 08.04.2013 22:58 schrieb "rigs" <
> > rigs...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > <javascript:;>>:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this info? Factor in obesity,
> > heart
> > > > > > > > problems,
> > > > > > > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also epidemics, etc. Some od on rx and others on
> > > > > street
> > > > > > > > > > > drugs-alcohol
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a combo. But as to rx you will have to come
> > up with
> > > > > > > > statistics
> > > > > > > > > > > re
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doctors and abuse by patients. Saw dr. last
> > week. My
> > > > > daughter
> > > > > > > > > > > thinks I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must have inherited super-genes. Maybe!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 11:55 am, gabbydott <
> > gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Mol, how are you? Good to see you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, what you are saying is right from a tribal
> > > > > > > > perspective. It
> > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a leap into the here and now of probabilities
> > and
> > > > > how they
> > > > > > > > > > > relate to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > us
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a feel for fuzzy logic. Let's say many,
> > many,
> > > > > many more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans die
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only due to the effects of the pills the
> > doctor has
> > > > > > > > prescribed
> > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans dying due to having consumed illegal
> > drugs
> > > > > such
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > heroin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cocain. Do you think that would make people
> > choose
> > > > > to go
> > > > > > > > to a
> > > > > > > > > > > doctor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prescribes pills more carefully? No, we are
> > > > > reasonably
> > > > > > > > hoping
> > > > > > > > > > > (hop,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hop)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death will not hit us, at least not here and
> > now.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/4/8 Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, the best fit is unreasonable, and
> > only
> > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > > > > reasonable
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later, when conditions change, or culture
> > changes,
> > > > > or we
> > > > > > > > > > > change.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Logic isn't everything.  The greatest
> > discoveries
> > > > > often
> > > > > > > > > > > require a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > leap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into a form of logic not yet clear.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 4:05 pm, archytas <
> > nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most art, music and literature (including
> > sport)
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > merely
> > > > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who can't do science or live examined
> > lives make
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems strange to me we can tell what
> > notes
> > > > > fit and
> > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic to save our lives.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Apr, 11:10, Allan H <
> > allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes that is the one Gabby,,  I only have
> > his
> > > > > piano
> > > > > > > > works,,
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
>
> > > ...
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> > > read more »
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