Re: Mind's Eye Re: An Icon Dies

In short we are living in the past.

On 25 Apr, 18:19, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Churchill was half American - nuff said Don!  I hoped Thatcher would
> be real change - but this dream is always rubbish - look at Obama.
> Oliver Stone did The Untold American History recently - it turned out
> not to be news to me, but we have forgotten how much sentiment there
> was towards the end of WW2 about job guarantee and a democratic world
> (Henry Wallace, generally unknown here, was the heart of it).  The
> debate had been had here at the end of WW1 - E D Morel unseated
> Churchill in Dundee.
>
> I think democracy is dead.  I suspect many of us worry about this
> across the old political spectrum.  The left is haunted by Soviet
> Paradise and now the right faces much the same with the banksters and
> crony capitalism - the shadow politburo.  Most of us want government
> off our backs and probably think it's better to be able to vote for
> what we want.  But let's face it, Plato couldn't resolve the
> corruption problem in seven books and didn't notice slavery was
> wrong.  I suspect Hayek and Popper would have disliked Thatcher - they
> were anti-convictionist.   I dislike the road to serfdom whether by
> Soviet or global wage arbitrage.  I don't share rigs' views above now
> - but I did until a few years ago.
>
> On the young Gabby, there is no talking to teenagers (scientifically)
> and peer influence is at its greatest.  Quite why humans specialise in
> this extended period of painful childishness I don't know.  I favour
> doing them as little damage as possible and don't think debt peonage
> by extending childhood to 21 is appropriate.  I doubt people can stay
> honest in leadership or politics without transparency and a system in
> which they return to 'ordinary' status.
>
> So how do we do transparent in a dirty old world?  In games of
> negotiation, undergraduate teams always chose the strategy that shits
> on the other group - presumably thinking the other group can't work
> out the simple rules.  Accounting, just at the point when technology
> could make the process transparent, accounts in a manner of
> obfuscation  We are all being told our countries should be innovative,
> competitive, thrusting, vibrant (endless list) to be better than all
> others in "free trade".  The spreadsheet could start instead with
> world-wide standards on wages and conditions.  Rigs may rightly say
> scientists haven't fixed us but no doubt doesn't have dreams about
> moving as a four-dimensional space shifting in two dimensions of
> time.  Is the experiment of decent living standards for all and an
> economics that adjusts to that beyond us rigs?  We can simulate -
> which is what spreadsheets and databases are about.  From my practical
> experience I'd expect bunches of men with guns to be an early problem,
> along with black-baggers and on to the megalomaniac paranoid
> narcissist versions of that North Korean prat in our own systems.
> With mosquito nets to give away in Africa the first problem was
> stopping black bandits stealing them - or so I thought until I found
> my own team had cornered a black market in them.  Further up the tree
> you find the bribes, tenders accepted at "cost plus" and suspect the
> kickbacks reach white pockets.  We can stop this kind of thing and
> choose not to.  Those who learn science come to realise most people
> don't have the courage for it - but not quite what this implies about
> social organisation and the role of terror in it.  Unemployment is
> such a terror for some they commit suicide.  Suicide is almost a way
> of life for Indian farmers (250,000 in the last ten years or so).
> What has WW3 meant for the women of Congo?  Economics and politics
> should be a war against terror.  They ain't and rely on its
> continuance.
>
> On 25 Ap -r, 11:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Make power relations visible from the beginning on, is what I suggest. And
> > start with positioning yourself in whatever frame that is under discussion.
> > Educated voters do not pop up by flipping the age switch. Sending kids out
> > at the age of 14 to have them experience how power relations also work
> > outside family and school is an easy way of keeping my hands clean. - A re
> > view from/at the grassroots.
>
> > 2013/4/24 rigs <rigs...@gmail.com>
>
> > > We need less sentimentality re our elections- they have become
> > > popularity contests sprinkled with celebrities, media bias, appeal to
> > > base or selfish interests, etc. We also need serious, educated voters
> > > which diminishes with universal sufferage and all the axes grinding
> > > away. I do think there are honest people concerned about the general
> > > welfare. Another correction should be term limits. The general disgust
> > > with politicians is widespread but we get the government we deserve or
> > > settle for. Would private wealth guarantee an honest politician or
> > > would power be just as corrupting. (You could also rant about
> > > scientists who have thus far failed to cure the ills of humanity.)
>
> > > On Apr 23, 3:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > which one Molly?  It seems the day of the honest politician that put the
> > > > nation above private interest is dead, gone and buried.. It is not to
> > > late
> > > > to save the economy but that will not happen as long as they can line
> > > thir
> > > > pockets with gold.. and if there is an honest politician they throw so
> > > much
> > > > money agaist them it is impossible to win.
>
> > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Roosevelt, Roosevelt, waitin' on Roosevelt.
>
> > > > > On Apr 22, 9:21 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > He forgot Roosevelt. And the generals/admirals who knew how many
> > > would
> > > > > > be killed in advance. My- such a cutthroat world.
>
> > > > > > On Apr 21, 4:12 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > My goodness you've lumped Churchill in with some disreputable
> > > > > characters
> > > > > > > haven't you Archy? I knew most of y'all wouldn't have cared for her
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > much but I wish we had someone just like her that could win an
> > > election
> > > > > > > over here but that's just not going to happen anytime too soon.
>
> > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:39 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Women owe her a lot though she was not a feminist. She turned
> > > Britain
> > > > > > > > around but is a controversial figure. I say, Rest in Peace,
> > > Maggie!
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:00 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I grew up respecting, almost revering Margaret Thatcher. What a
> > > > > stalwart
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the face of encroaching Communism and it's inherent
> > > destruction of
> > > > > > > > > individuality and creativity. I hope her passing brings more
> > > > > conservative
> > > > > > > > > economic policy into the debate. I don't know about England but
> > > > > over here
> > > > > > > > > in America we are still spending money we don't have and
> > > expanding
> > > > > > > > > government services our government sucks at dispensing. Our
> > > elected
> > > > > > > > > representatives lie to our faces on national television and
> > > there's
> > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > no reaction. I suppose it's always been like that but I hate it
> > > > > when
> > > > > > > > we're
> > > > > > > > > being "fundamentally changed" and most of the public is
> > > blissfully
> > > > > > > > unaware
> > > > > > > > > of the nefarious agenda being enacted right under their noses.
> > > The
> > > > > Iron
> > > > > > > > > Lady's warnings about the follies of big government are being
> > > > > ignored
> > > > > > > > > globally to our mutual detriment.
>
> > > > > > > > > Anyways that's my thoughts about her. I know many of you have
> > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > thoughts on her impact and contributions and this thread is a
> > > > > chance to
> > > > > > > > air
> > > > > > > > > them. I'll never forget reading Frederick Von Heyek's reaction
> > > to
> > > > > his
> > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > meeting her. "She's so beautiful!" Not an adjective I would
> > > have
> > > > > applied
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > her myself but to a guy used to having debates and discussions
> > > > > with hairy
> > > > > > > > > old men she must have seemed a Goddess.
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> > > > |_D Allan
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