Ah, the typical Hipster Zeitgeist self-positioning - please consume with ironic detachment. No, I don't support artificial sweeteners (bad). I prefer taking the truth with a grain of salt (good).
2013/3/27 James <ashkashal@gmail.com>
It seems to me that the task is set between a conditioned identity that adapts and acquires knowledge about a perceptual environment mostly subconsciously on one hand and the other is managing an exchange between acquired directives and the challenge of inadequacies (even when wicked and intractable problems present themselves). How the perceptual environment is absorbed I think has a lot to do with individual traits, but it seems that however many levels of emergent systems are involved there is interaction, communication and adaptation of the different layers (levels, systems, what have you).
Where it gets interesting is that the background gets filled in while trying to understand and explain the apparent and intuitive. That space is where I see the identity acting as an agent, but more than an agent operating within a 'bounded rationality' (per se) but a construct of multiple motives competing for attention, recognition, expression underlying the persona or more intimately self image and ultimately attenuating the brain to operate within the basic parameters of this environment for better or worse.
This hypothetical view or variations and thinking systematically helps tame my brain's attenuations, it doesn't seem to be adapted well to me but I manage to patch things up here and there with discipline or bypassing circuits. Long ago my world was fire and ice, now it has to be bridged somehow- reset the task, it is the same but different with some place shifting.. I am right-brain dominant gabby, it is fitting to have a sense of irony about my ideas, especially my earlier message. :)
On 3/26/2013 3:39 AM, gabbydott wrote:
Unfortunately, no. My agency does not operate on the basis of an innate, pre-programmed best behavior pattern, it co-develops with me, and I better define it the best behavior I can show, which is not true, of course, but it helps me with my environment. Sorry, who set the task?2013/3/26 James <ashkashal@gmail.com <mailto:ashkashal@gmail.com>>
<mailto:andrewvecsey@gmail.com> <mailto:andrewvecsey@gmail.com
If distortions are the best we can muster lets hope they fit the
task at hand, now what that is and where in environment and
identity seems very defining no?
On 3/25/2013 5:02 PM, gabbydott wrote:
The Big Picture via distorting filters onto Big Data?
2013/3/24 andrew vecsey <andrewvecsey@gmail.com
<mailto:andrewvecsey@gmail.com>>>
I do not think that we lie to our self so much as that we only
see/hear what we want to see/hear. Also we tend to say what we
think the other persons wants to hear or say things to
hurt other
people.
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:46:03 AM UTC+1, rigs wrote:
I am more interested in why we lie to ourselves, suppress
reality and
snarl logic in our brains. There are life and death
moments of
survival, I suppose, but much of our potential is
engineered
by family
and culture in order to achieve some sort of control and
order. Even
rebels are often little more than a reaction. Pretense and
etiquette
are often the same thing.//I must have "lost" my
thought re "big
data"/"Big Daddy? as an organizer of human knowledge
versus the
present scatterings and specialties.// Yes- I agree
most have
a gut
reaction- but so do other life forms- it's a survival
mechanism. But
it can be distorted.
On Mar 24, 4:12 am, andrew vecsey<andrewvec...@gmail.com <mailto:andrewvec...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Faked enthusiasm is as easy to spot as fake love. It
is like
a built in
> like a lie detector that god created us with. Sounds
like a
good way to
> detect lying on the internet. You can call it "god"
instead
of "big
> brother".
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:08:39 PM UTC+1,
archytas wrote:
>
> .....................
>
>
>
> > Quite what junk DNA is has raised a big recent
controversy
- gist at
>
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/feb/24/scientists-attacked-ove...
> > I agree with rigs that the term is unfortunate.
>
> > ........but I could feign 'enthusiasm' ..
> > ........' to detect resistance! Even this
> > .....no employees dumb enough to support
> > excellence, ......
> > if we spent out time pointing such devices at
> > each other though rigs! Watch out for the first one
minute dating
> > agency providing such! Arghh" .
>
> > On Mar 22, 1:06 pm, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com<mailto:rigs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Junk is an unfortunate adjective- it sounds too
random.
My guess is
> > > that further selection takes place in this area
which
selects the
> > > strongest marker- or whatever it's called- such
in the
color of eyes,
> > > hair, and other characteristics. There are also
generational skips in
> > > play. I have noted other strange echoes of a missing
parent such as
> > > the style of laughter which is a surprise and so
many other
> > > recognitions. At any rate, we are just beginning
to sort
through the
> > > data in this one area as in others- I think it
is called
"big data"
> > > which will overcome the religious notion of
"sins of the
father" stuff
> > > as well as curses and fate and will hopefully
allow a
more rational
> > > and postive approach/life choices for each unique
individual. But it
> > > will also cause mischief.
>
> > > On Mar 22, 5:16 am, andrew vecsey
<andrewvec...@gmail.com<mailto:ashk...@gmail.com> <javascript:><mailto:andrewvec...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > > > Not all DNA code for protein. We have non
coding DNA
called "junk DNA"
> > that
> > > > ensure we are all unique. While normal DNA
codes for
protein to make,
> > for
> > > > example a "nose", junk DNA ensures that we
grow a nose
that "looks"
> > like a
> > > > mixture of our father`s and our mother`s nose.
>
> > > > On Friday, March 22, 2013 12:36:39 AM UTC+1,
Ash wrote:
>
> > > > > My thoughts didn't include "junk DNA", my
thinking
on such terms are
> > > > > mixed in that some genes may not be useful or
represent just another
> > > > > failure point, but also that the supposed
junk in
one set of
> > > > > circumstances may prove quite beneficial in
others
like a backup, an
> > > > > alternate development chain or complex
interdependencies we haven't
> > > > > observed yet. You may have a connection in
mind I
haven't gleaned.
>
> > > > > Developing the market sounds similar but I
am trying
to root out an
> > > > > aspect of this that doesn't require jumping to a
premature
> > conclusion,
> > > > > such as in 'intelligent design',
materialism, rigid
ontologies or
> > > > > realism. Thanks for helping me explore here
gabby,
lets hope some
> > form
> > > > > emerges in expression. :)
>
> > > > > On 3/21/2013 3:57 AM, gabbydott wrote:
> > > > > > Now that sounds more like you. :)
> > > > > > What you are describing or asking I now
understand/interpret/hear
> > in
> > > > > > terms of what I know about what they are
trying to
find out about
> > > > > > "junk DNA". Its purpose/function/added
value. As
for what you
> > describe
> > > > > > as another way, I know/experience/see this
in what
the companies
> > > > > > describe as "developing the market". We
are still
on topic, aren't
> > we?
>
> > > > > > 2013/3/21 James <ashk...@gmail.com
<mailto:
> > > > > ashk...@gmail.com <mailto:ashk...@gmail.com>
<javascript:>>>
>
> > > > > > I have a feeling you are being
charitable with
me gabby
> > (cringe).
> > > > > > What you say makes sense, and should
add that
the intent I
> > refer
> > > > > > to is in excess of that needed for
mere gene
survival fitness.
> > In
> > > > > > that sense I consider the adaptations as
simulations and the
> > > > > > excess as breaking the barriers of
meta-simulation, or in
> > another
> > > > > > way, not just running within time but
operating on it by
> > taking
> > > > > > advantage of the rules and finding ways to
bend them. Now it
> > is my
> > > > > > turn to ask, does that make sense [to
anyone]?
>
> > > > > > On 3/20/2013 3:01 AM, gabbydott wrote:
>
> > > > > > I don't know if this is good or
bad, but i
hear that you
> > > > > > haven't just heard about mirror
neurons,
that this is a
> > > > > > relatively consciously made up construct,
a construct with
> > > > > > intent or purpose. Also it sounds
strange
when you say
> > that
> > > > > > this neurological mechanism is
strange (to
you). That's
> > where
> > > > > > my "parallel mirror neurons" come into
play, i compare
> > what
> > > > > > you say with what i have heard you
saying
before and add
> > the
> > > > > > info as well as my judgement on
what you
say to my
> > internal
> > > > > > "Virtualization" of you. The leap is more
of a constant
> > > > > > exercise of differentiating
between you
and me while
> > operating
> > > > > > on the virtualization of each
participant,
so to speak.
> > Does
> > > > > > that somehow make sense to you?
>
> > > > > > Of course, I could go back to the
group
website and search
> > for
> > > > > > the real data on what you have
been saying
on neurological
> > > > > > mechanisms. But this would be a completely
new project.
> > I'd
> > > > > > have to go back and construct a
new image
with my
> > knowledge of
> > > > > > now.
>
> > > > > > But since you are still alive and
still
communicating, I
> > find
> > > > > > it much easier and more purposeful
to keep
on listening to
> > > > > > what you say, to respond to it, and to
rely on you saying,
> > if
> > > > > > you disagree. Not a good position
for me
to be in, more of
> > a
> > > > > > survival strategy. Now that's
worth a leap
into rethinking
> > > > > > mode. ;)
>
> > > > > > 2013/3/20 James <ashk...@gmail.com<mailto:ashk...@gmail.com>> > > > > ashk...@gmail.com <mailto:ashk...@gmail.com>
<javascript:>
> > > > > > <mailto:ashk...@gmail.com
<mailto:ashk...@gmail.com> <javascript:>>
<mailto:
<javascript:>
> > > > > > <mailto:ashk...@gmail.com<mailto:minds-eye%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com
<mailto:ashk...@gmail.com> <javascript:>>>>
>
> > > > > > My response was mostly a parallel
narrative, my
> > thinking on
> > > > > a
> > > > > > personal level is when does a system
of components
> > > > > > transcend the
> > > > > > boudaries of automata and begin to
engage in the
> > operations
> > > > > of
> > > > > > intent. Where does gene fitness
adaptation break loose
> > into
> > > > > > something perceiving, interacting,
understanding and
> > > > > > mastering? I
> > > > > > have heard that our ability to
reflect
and interact on
> > an
> > > > > > intimate
> > > > > > level arises from a strange
neurological mechanism
> > called
> > > > > > mirror
> > > > > > neurons. If this is something like the
virtualization
> > > > > > technologies
> > > > > > we have been building in
technology
then with a bit
> > more
> > > > > > scale and
> > > > > > pondering our science may make the leap
> > logarithmically.
>
> > > > > > On 3/18/2013 8:15 PM, James wrote:
>
> > > > > > I see this sometimes too Andrew,
and we learn how
> > our
> > > > > > internal
> > > > > > systems and culture drive and
shape us, so we can
> > > > > > create. We
> > > > > > model from the simplest sensory
stimuli on to
> > > > > > reflections on
> > > > > > the nature of our existence and
what could be in a
> > > > > > simultaneous simulation of reality. Our
world can
> > be
> > > > > > full of
> > > > > > intent, or I should say we
experience it thus due
> > to our
> > > > > > capacity arising from our nature
and drawing
> > parables
> > > > > > in the
> > > > > > mist. It makes me wonder how many
levels of
> > abstraction,
> > > > > > simulation and foresight are necessary to
> > represent
> > > > > > the human
> > > > > > element. That minds like ours are
derived from
> > nature is
> > > > > > astonishing and awe inspiring, that we
reach so
> > far
> > > > > > and yet
> > > > > > innocence is so fragile, the experience of
> > awareness
> > > > > > is far
> > > > > > from today's science I think. Our
synthetic
> > > > > > counterparts or
> > > > > > robots will have to wait.
>
> > > > > > On 3/13/2013 5:35 AM, andrew
vecsey wrote:
>
> > > > > > Perhaps we are born into a world filled with
> > > > > negative
> > > > > > aspects rather than positive aspects so as to
> > give
> > > > > > us a
> > > > > > direction. We are born small so that we can
> > grow.
> > > > > > We are
> > > > > > born ignorant so that we could
know. We are
> > born
> > > > > with
> > > > > > negative aspects so that we could acquire
> > positive
> > > > > > ones.
>
> > > > > > On Monday, January 28, 2013
12:11:39 PM UTC+1,
> > > > > andrew
> > > > > > vecsey wrote:
>
> > > > > > Why do so many of us remember negative
> > > > > > feelings easier
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > positive ones. Pain over
>
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>
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