Re: Mind's Eye Re: the majority opinion

On the ignorance of the majority we have this -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-29/why-are-american-voters-so-uninformed

In research into he evaluation of management education I used to ask
individuals present in classes to rate the class from 0 - 10 within an
hour of finish (usually high) and then put a few questions on content
memory (usually low, sometimes zero). I repeated this after three and
six months - al ratings going down a little and content memories
evaporating. I sat through classes myself and it seemed people were
paying attention and sometimes actively engaged. The only book I saw
being used in the library was the comedic but accurate 'Up the
Organisation'. Memories of the content of that were very good, as was
memory of project work. I can remember (more accurately) the content
of a project on the life history of the turbot done aged 10 than the
content of management education books on the topics I teach.

I suspect the majority ignorance on politics has a lot to do with it
not being important or interesting - perhaps not even accessible - and
largely irrelevant to ordinary lives. Many of the people we vote in
are lawyers and we generally rate them as pond life.

On 29 Jan, 20:21, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> as steroids go the current home run king did it while on drugs,,  the
> base ball of hall of fame said that was okay..  and put him in it
> making him a hero... drug use and all ..  now where is the USADA
> and their stripping him of his record and banning him from sports for
> life?? Oh i forgot the Baseball officials paid them off.. so it is
> okay;;  to big of money involved
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> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:16 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I consider myself an equal opportunity critic, Allan. Was quite
> > critical of Bush 41 and 43.
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> > On Jan 29, 1:06 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> yes sports is dangerous stuff ,,steroids are not uncommon  also
> >> carried on though pro sports  oops I forgot they buy off the drug czar
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> >> I do not see why you really don't look into what is going on instead
> >> of just spout republican rhetoric..
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> >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:59 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I should have added independence from family, sex and drinking though
> >> > the latter two are primed in highschool. Also, students can read and
> >> > write but many need (forgot the term) classes to improve their skills.
> >> > Not sure if handwriting/grammar is even a factor anymore. // Then
> >> > there's sports- though Obama thinks it is dangerous stuff along with
> >> > gun ownership so soon American men/women will be civilian wimps. But
> >> > the military is an alternative to college/poor employment
> >> > opportunities so there is always an answer unless one considers
> >> > military service a risk and who would do that?
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> >> > On Jan 28, 8:57 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Considering that many movers and shakers were lucky to get a
> >> >> highschool education back in the '20's and '30's and that some recent
> >> >> innovators dropped out of college one does start to question the
> >> >> process. Add up the loan debt, as well. College may be a form of the
> >> >> caste system, networking or opportunity/income leveler. I repeat my
> >> >> stated opinion that college is a respectable place to park ones
> >> >> children for some parents. It used to be a place to meet a mate but
> >> >> now a career is the object since two can no longer live as cheaply as
> >> >> one. Often college entrants still cannot read or write plus now they
> >> >> have expectations of a certain level of hype and bedazzlement.//
> >> >> Teachers burn out in some subjects because it's 24/7- just in
> >> >> correcting essay exams and term papers plus checking for plagiarizims,
> >> >> etc. and because they are expected to be sort of a pseudo-parent/
> >> >> nursemaid/sex-object/inspiration all while getting published to prove
> >> >> their value/worth to the institution.//Once one learns to read and
> >> >> comprehend they can teach themselves most anything. A library card
> >> >> will do...
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> >> >> On Jan 28, 6:39 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> > Strangely enough Lee I do experience that!  Brian Clough should have
> >> >> > been England manager!  One finds a lot of arrogant ignorance in
> >> >> > classrooms and a lot of stereotyping by teachers and students.
> >> >> > Teaching is often a weird experience and difficult to drop from the
> >> >> > system - something pretty important to let learning take place.  I
> >> >> > don't use textbooks unless I've given up on a class that won't fend
> >> >> > for itself (some demand spoonfeeding and find discovery learning
> >> >> > terrifying).  It's easy enough to get classes round to looking at work
> >> >> > motivation in terms of the content and process theories of 'chapter
> >> >> > three' and regurgitate what's there.  To a man jack they'd all give up
> >> >> > work if they won the lottery, suggesting a rather different theory.
> >> >> > I'm sure the books are mostly wrong and that more than that the need
> >> >> > for basic texts is a combination of bad teachers and commercial
> >> >> > pressures to get bums through seats.  I try to met people do what
> >> >> > interests them, what they want to find and express - but as in all
> >> >> > human activity there is a problem with people promising 'your own way'
> >> >> > who don't mean it.  And it's much more difficult today to defend
> >> >> > students who don't toe to the party line.  Is it possible to 'respect
> >> >> > ignorance' but at the same time fail it?  What is a person who wants
> >> >> > to stay ignorant doing in a learning environment?  Further down the
> >> >> > line one often finds research leads one to the conclusion that what's
> >> >> > taught is rubbish - something one might also achieve just in reacting
> >> >> > to a teacher one doesn't like without doing the hard work!  Our
> >> >> > schools claim to be doing a better job than ever - but walking Max
> >> >> > through litter and evading broken bottles left by the products of
> >> >> > school education I'm not so sure.  Still smirking on your comment me
> >> >> > old China.
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> >> >> > On Jan 27, 11:13 pm, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> > > Ahhh but what if majority opinion was to sway towards your way Archy?
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> >> >> > > On Sunday, 27 January 2013 22:56:22 UTC, archytas wrote:
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> >> >> > > > Much majority opinion, when tested, contains almost no evaluation,
> >> >> > > > nothing on alternative views (other than suspicion) and no critique or
> >> >> > > > originality.  Many of the people involved are remarkably decent,
> >> >> > > > hospitable and so on.  The majority view on the science I've done is
> >> >> > > > non-existent - people don't have the requisite languages.
> >> >> > > > Anthropology throws up majority views across cultures that are frankly
> >> >> > > > barking (as in our own histories and probably now).  We might walk one
> >> >> > > > of Andrew's thought parks and look back from the near future and
> >> >> > > > realise neo-classical economics really was a barking mad control fraud
> >> >> > > > that held us back from world peace - or that it saved us from a world
> >> >> > > > once again dominated by religion.
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> >> >> > > > On Jan 27, 5:54 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > If you asked someone in the herd, if they considered themselves to be
> >> >> > > > > part of the herd, or if their view was their opinion, I suspect that
> >> >> > > > > you would hear a view entirely different than the opinion you just
> >> >> > > > > voiced, Andrew.  An opinion filled with judgments presented as fact
> >> >> > > > > (or a an attempt of such,) twisted words and thinly veiled accusations
> >> >> > > > > are always weak argument.  Words like arrogant and vain are value
> >> >> > > > > judgments.  Herd mentality is a documented sociological phenomenon.
> >> >> > > > > Most operating under herd mentality do not understand that the basis
> >> >> > > > > of their thinking or opinion is fear.  I would speculate that most
> >> >> > > > > political rhetoric is aimed at forming herd mentality with fear.  At
> >> >> > > > > least, all the political ads in every city I have ever lived in the
> >> >> > > > > US.
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> >> >> > > > > On Jan 27, 12:23 pm, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> > > > > > Heard mentality or herd mentality is not an opinion. It is just
> >> >> > > > blindly
> >> >> > > > > > following the loudest voice heard either out of fear or out of  not
> >> >> > > > having
> >> >> > > > > > an opinion but taking it from the herd you chose to follow in order to
> >> >> > > > > > conform.  The majority opinion in not necessarily the loudest opinion
> >> >> > > > you
> >> >> > > > > > hear. The loudest opinion usually comes from an arrogant, vain and
> >> >> > > > > > disrespectful person who is power hungry and has enough money for a
> >> >> > > > > > brainwashing campaign. Like a dictator who disregards majority
> >> >> > > > opinions as
> >> >> > > > > > mindless.
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> >> >> > > > > > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:12:08 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
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> >> >> > > > > > > Of course, I meant herd mentality.  Now, off to work!
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> >> >> > > > > > > On Jan 27, 10:00 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > > > before the judgments fly any further, a differentiation between
> >> >> > > > heard
> >> >> > > > > > > > mentality and majority thinking might be in order.  It is possible
> >> >> > > > > > > > there there is truth in what Andrew and Allan are saying, but
> >> >> > > > gross
> >> >> > > > > > > > generalization, paradoxically, leads to a narrow view, one that is
> >> >> > > > > > > > unable to consider another. Heard mentality can indeed, be
> >> >> > > > dangerous,
> >> >> > > > > > > > and a great manipulator can take advantage.  History bears this
> >> >> > > > out on
> >> >> > > > > > > > many occasions.
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> >> >> > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 4:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> > > > > > > > > what ever andrew
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> >> >> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:55 AM, andrew vecsey <
> >> >> > > > andrewvec...@gmail.com>
> >> >> > > > > > > wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Except when the majority opinion happens to agree with your
> >> >> > > > own
> >> >> > > > > > > opinion. In
> >> >> > > > > > > > > > my own personal opinion, anyone who thinks that the majority
> >> >> > > > opinion
> >> >> > > > > > > is
> >> >> > > > > > > > > > mindless shows clear signs of arrogance, vanity and
> >> >> > > > disrespect. All
> >> >> > > > > > > opinions
> >> >> > > > > > > > > > should be respected. Is that not the basis of democracy?
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> >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:57 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic
> >> >> > > > wrote:
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> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> the majority opinion is the easiest one to manipulate as it
> >> >> > > > has no
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> idea what it is.  because of that it is the easiest to
> >> >> > > > control
> >> >> > > > > > > being
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> both mindless, disorientated with no where to go and no idea
> >> >> > > > of
> >> >> > > > > > > what
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> it believes as well as willing to believe  the comforting
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