Thursday, January 31, 2013

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Good and bad

The way you contrast socialism and capitalism is like contrasting creationism versus evolutionism. And by the natural law that the fittest will survive you are right to have decided for the evolutionary view.

I don't think - and the exchange in this group has helped me a lot to see this clearer - we should forget how tempting the search for the right answers is.


2013/1/31 rigs <rigs117@gmail.com>
I am a fan of capitalism. I consider Marxism and Fascism as an
extension of socialism which is an extension of divine rights,etc.,
i.e. theft, redistribution of another's wealth and labor, weakening of
the body politic (a form of serfdom) which turns governments into
bloodsuckers via taxes and debt.//Do you think economics is a valid
science? Why, when it has flopped so many times.//We need production
and labor plus consumption so there is a need for immigrants into
white industrial countries to make up for the decline of white births
(55 million abortions plus birth control). But I wonder if illegals
will pay back taxes and bother to learn English. It might go smoother
if we learn Spanish and Europe learn Arabic.//Family can also hurt
people but sometimes that hurt teaches valuable lessons. It is easier
to leave some people and events to Heaven though it would probably
spell the end of the legal profession.

On Jan 30, 4:56 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure the audience is as wide as your estimate rigs.
> Technically I am hospitable to any theoretical view from marxism to
> fascism - though I tend to dislike theoretical views - and hospitable
> to Islamic theory/s in business analysis - and to guests in my
> classrooms from all backgrounds.  This is easy enough - as easy as
> offering to put you up if you were travelling in the UK.  The
> difficult bit is in reciprocity - here we might think of the Maussian
> concept of the gift and many examples in 'stoneage economics' - what
> is expect of a guest in return.  One gives freely - a few nights stay
> is not given for a return of a few nights stay and so on - yet one
> does not generally keep giving to inhospitable guests.  One can
> discuss racism yet not tolerate racists - but to brand people
> concerned their opportunities for homes and work are disappearing in
> immigration flows as racist who raise these issues with some hatred on
> the people taking them is also wrong (particularly if done by
> politically correct idiots whose homes and jobs are not under such
> threat).  Hospitality is sometimes easy, sometimes very hard work, can
> be a treat or pain - but is always already reciprocal in intent even
> if no commodity exchange is meant.  I prefer to be hospitable to you
> rigs than tolerant - tolerance has pratronising aspects - and this is
> my general approach to things intellectual.  It's easy with you as I
> like what I hear.  I have lost hospitality to politics.  Left to typo
> as it hits the meaning better than the word I intended!
>
> People hurt us Andrew.  We hurt them.  Some is intentional some not.
> Gossip is often vicious from the pub to academic cloister.
> Transactional analysis isn't a bad place to look at how rigs'
> "balanced score card" builds up in personal relationships - Eric
> Berne's 'Games People Play' is still. the best book.  Only friends can
> generally hurt us as we come to expect better from them, value them
> and so on.  Friendship is easily mimicked and sometimes that small
> thing you mention may reveal the charade.  Sometimes we take things
> too hard and should just let an incident wash away.  This can be
> particularly hard if you've been collecting brown stamps (been shit
> on) in too many recent encounters.  I used to go to the pub every
> Friday to get rid of my collection - but this habit itself became a
> brown stamp.  I'm not religious but there's lots in forgiveness and
> 'there but for the grace of god go I'.
>
> On 29 Jan, 19:11, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Please define what you mean by "hospitality"- of the individual, the
> > group, nations. Thanks. :-)
>
> > On Jan 29, 5:22 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think the first consideration is hospitality rigs.
>
> > > On Jan 29, 12:10 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > At least some had good intentions re empires- maybe that should be
> > > > noted. And I believe in good intentions, myself- don't you? It's
> > > > likely a project for those two columCouldns of thinking and sorting.
>
> > > > On Jan 28, 6:41 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Good question Andrew - though we could wonder why most people have
> > > > > rosy views of the US and British empires, pretty much against the real
> > > > > history.
>
> > > > > On Jan 28, 11:19 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Try being Pollyanna for a day and see how far you get. Or Dr. Pangloss
> > > > > > ("Candide")
>
> > > > > > On Jan 28, 5:11 am, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Why do so many of us remember negative feelings easier than positive ones.
> > > > > > > Pain over pleasure. Bad news over good news. Why does "bad" overshadow
> > > > > > > "good", immorality over morality, despair over hope, pessimism over
> > > > > > > optimism. Why does hate appear to be more powerful than love? Why is greed
> > > > > > > louder than generosity. Why is destruction of war so much faster than the
> > > > > > > building power of peace. Why can one little lie destroy a lifetime of
> > > > > > > trust. Why are lies more influential than truth. It all seems so one sided.
> > > > > > > Why is that?- Hide quoted text -
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