Re: Mind's Eye Motive

Then I stand corrected but still don't agree
Allan

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:50 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> The law takes the non-conscious into account in that you can intend or
> be reckless in committing crime RP. English Law now has it that one
> can form the necessary mens rea in getting drunk before you commit a
> crime, even if you had no intent to commit it before drinking
> alcohol. I think you may be confusing what conscious and unconscious
> are. Gabby's right Allan and RP is a thoughtful contributor whether
> right or wrong.
>
> On 3 Jan, 15:33, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oddly Gabby the answer is yes to your question.. I really don't care
>> what people believe.. but I get tired of some weird statement that
>> always leads back to the same point,,
>>
>> One time I actually watched get off his point and look within himself
>> only to get totally freaked out ..
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>> Now Gabby I like looking at new ideas with the twist and turns..
>> believe me it will not change my core values.. but provides good for
>> thought. and see what doors open up.. when you sit down and look at a
>> statement that is totally meant to get you back to the same point..
>> don't buy that point.. Andrew comes up with some strange ideas and
>> when they are written out quite interesting,,
>>
>> Gabby I threw out the idea of a zombie.. not really much response to
>> take on a weird and strange idea.. turned out that it is not original
>> which I thick is funny as all get out. I thought the idea is to grow
>> and expand ones thinking not be ship wrecked on a solitary idea..
>> Allan
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>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:45 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Guess what, Allan, me too! That doesn't stop me from noticing interferences
>> > from other categorical imperatives though. Your Master Jesus, for example,
>> > do you think he would have treated RP the way you treat him? I don't think
>> > so. RP has done you or anyone else here no harm, he is simply presenting his
>> > output to us. It's an offer to pick up on anything he says and he will
>> > politely continue to provide you with the next output products. Thanks, RP!
>> > Good to have you on board too.
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>> > 2013/1/3 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
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>> >> I can read english gabby and I do understand it..
>> >> Allan
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>> >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:52 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Please, Allan. YOU are replying in accordance with what YOU understand
>> >> > that
>> >> > RP says. The result of long and many years of 'What do YOU think?'
>> >> > trainings. Motives are generated by unconscious and conscious factors,
>> >> > along
>> >> > the scales of gratification and avoidance of suffering - for ourselves
>> >> > and
>> >> > our environment.
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>> >> > 2013/1/2 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>>
>> >> >> According to what you have said in the past you have no freedom or
>> >> >> latitude at all in you activities it is all dictated to you by the god
>> >> >> in which you believe..
>>
>> >> >> Just what are you looking for?? some one to say that you have
>> >> >> permission to believe some thing else.. then you have my permission
>> >> >> and blessing.. but I do not think that is what you want,, I think
>> >> >> you are simply trying to justify your beliefs.. for me you do not
>> >> >> have to do that .. you can believe as you want..
>>
>> >> >> Oh well discussions with you go no where,,
>> >> >> Allan
>>
>> >> >> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real
>> >> >> > determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the
>> >> >> > unconscious
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong
>> >> >> > instinctive
>> >> >> > sex
>> >> >> > drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them.
>> >> >> > The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > our
>> >> >> > behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious
>> >> >> > motives ?
>> >> >> > Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even
>> >> >> > aware
>> >> >> > even
>> >> >> > though they are the real determinants of our actions.
>> >> >> > The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously
>> >> >> > we
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand
>> >> >> > freely.
>> >> >> > So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by
>> >> >> > unconscious
>> >> >> > determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If unconsciously
>> >> >> > we
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > selfish and consciously generous , it is our generosity for which we
>> >> >> > can
>> >> >> > be
>> >> >> > judged and not the unconscious motive. So , the phantom of Bondage
>> >> >> > evaporates into thin air !
>>
>> >> >> > --
>>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> (
>> >> >> )
>> >> >> |_D Allan
>>
>> >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>
>> >> >> Of course I talk to myself,
>> >> >> Sometimes I need expert advice..
>>
>> >> >> --
>>
>> >> > 2013/1/2 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>>
>> >> >> According to what you have said in the past you have no freedom or
>> >> >> latitude at all in you activities it is all dictated to you by the god
>> >> >> in which you believe..
>>
>> >> >> Just what are you looking for?? some one to say that you have
>> >> >> permission to believe some thing else.. then you have my permission
>> >> >> and blessing.. but I do not think that is what you want,, I think
>> >> >> you are simply trying to justify your beliefs.. for me you do not
>> >> >> have to do that .. you can believe as you want..
>>
>> >> >> Oh well discussions with you go no where,,
>> >> >> Allan
>>
>> >> >> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real
>> >> >> > determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the
>> >> >> > unconscious
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong
>> >> >> > instinctive
>> >> >> > sex
>> >> >> > drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them.
>> >> >> > The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > our
>> >> >> > behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious
>> >> >> > motives ?
>> >> >> > Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even
>> >> >> > aware
>> >> >> > even
>> >> >> > though they are the real determinants of our actions.
>> >> >> > The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously
>> >> >> > we
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand
>> >> >> > freely.
>> >> >> > So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by
>> >> >> > unconscious
>> >> >> > determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If unconsciously
>> >> >> > we
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > selfish and consciously generous , it is our generosity for which we
>> >> >> > can
>> >> >> > be
>> >> >> > judged and not the unconscious motive. So , the phantom of Bondage
>> >> >> > evaporates into thin air !
>>
>> >> >> > --
>>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> (
>> >> >> )
>> >> >> |_D Allan
>>
>> >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>
>> >> >> Of course I talk to myself,
>> >> >> Sometimes I need expert advice..
>>
>> >> >> --
>>
>> >> > --
>>
>> >> --
>> >> (
>> >> )
>> >> |_D Allan
>>
>> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>
>> >> Of course I talk to myself,
>> >> Sometimes I need expert advice..
>>
>> >> --
>>
>> > --
>>
>> --
>> (
>> )
>> |_D Allan
>>
>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>
>> Of course I talk to myself,
>> Sometimes I need expert advice..
>
> --
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|_D Allan

Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.

Of course I talk to myself,
Sometimes I need expert advice..

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